[ExI] riots again

[Mirco Romanato]

Il 06/10/2012 01:25, F. C. Moulton ha scritto:
> On 10/05/2012 02:15 PM, Tomaz Kristan wrote:

>> I, as an Eastern European I would understand if you'd nuked Kabul.

> Let us think just for a moment how horrible it would have been to nuke
> Kabul in 2001.

What would have you done after 9/11?
Just state this.

> Kabul is the name of a city, a metropolitan area and a
> province.  Depending on which definition is used the population numbers
> range from 500,000 to 3,000,000 although exact values are difficult to
> determine.  For simple numbers use a population of 1,000,000 and
> consider that probably at least 25% are early teens or younger.  In the
> event of a nuclear attack most would die due to blast effects, radiation
> and other factors.  Think about these 250,000 youngsters dying; some in
> horrible agony.  For what?  Exactly what possible reason would there
> have been to murder 250,000 youngsters?  And what about all of the rest
> of the population?

Asimov wrote
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right."

The reason to kill so many people?
So there will be no more 9/11 (or whatever in Europe).
There would not be the reasons to invade and occupy Afghanistan and 
Iraq. No reason for DHS, no reasons for a lot of laws allowing 
restriction of freedoms , no expenditures on long wars, more money for 
the children in schools.

Or using he words of Heinlein:

Morals — all correct moral laws — derive from the instinct to survive. 
Moral behavior is survival behavior above the individual level.

Correct morality can only be derived from what man is — not from what 
do-gooders and well-meaning aunt Nellies would like him to be.

> I understand that you (Tomaz) did not say one way or the other about
> your feelings concerning a nuclear attack on Kabul.  Since this is the
> Extropian list I will assume that there is no list member who would say
> that in 2001 the USA should have carried out a nuclear attack on Kabul.

Hello. Look here.


> To advocate such a nuclear attack would be inhumane and foolish as well
> as against Extropian values.

Well, Extropians want to be better than humans. And sometimes something 
apparently inhumane and foolish in the short term is simply the most 
human thing to do. Just depend on the time scale you factor the returns.


Mirco