[ExI] Off topic or on? Group about Cryonics and Beauty, or not?

[Brent Allsop]

Kevin,

What?  You mean I can't talk about the most important thing of all - 
theoretical (as in falsifiable) science of mind?  I can't talk about how 
we'll be able to effing know if my ineffable redness is the same as 
yours and what phenomenal uploading will be like?  I can't talk about 
how the knowledge of the world in our brains will be able to be unified 
with the world of knowledge in our upload's brain, like the left 
hemisphere conscious world is unified with the right.  I can't talk 
about what it will be like as our knowledge of our 'spirit' (which has 
no referent in reality) will finally escape from our skull, and bee free 
to travel to any other significantly phenomenally expanded worlds of 
knowledge...?

Along with all the great stuff Ben mentioned?

Oh, wait, I guess the very definition of 'beauty' is that which is 
phenomenal.  So I guess all that is included, right?

Brent Allsop


On 10/7/2012 2:44 PM, Ben Zaiboc wrote:
> Kevin G Haskell <kgh1kgh2 at gmail.com> asked:
>
>> To this fantastic group of intellectuals:
>>
>> This is an essential group of thinkers regarding
>> Transhumanism, etc.  But
>> can we please try to restrain our comments to our two main
>> points of the
>> groups, which are:
>> Effective and widespread cryonics at an affordable price for
>> everyone and
>> secondly, how to maintain and even vastly improve beauty and
>> art...artful
>> beauty, if you will, especially as it pertains to
>> youthfulness?
>>
>> I am in quite a few groups that are related to
>> Transhumanism, and to
>> Singularitarianism.  I have to say that this group is
>> falling into a
>> similar trap that they do, and that is to discuss "all' of
>> the issues that
>> pertain to both of those major issues.
>>
>> Here, doesn't it make more sense that we focus like lasers
>> on Max's goal of
>> a superior, cheaper, more widespread version of Vanilla Sky,
>> and second,
>> that we focus on Natasha's focus that the Transhumanist
>> future make new
>> humanity beautiful and filled with style, no matter what
>> their financial
>> circumstance?
>>
>> I don't mean to stir up anything here, I just mean that
>> Facebook has made
>> so many groups open to everything, and that this group might
>> be better off
>> focusing on what Max and Natasha are trying to keep it
>> focused on:
>> Widespread, effective cryonics (Max) and widespread,
>> creative, and cutting
>> edge H+ style and design (Natasha.)
>
> So, no more talk about robots, space-based solar power, uploading, M-Brains, space elevators, existential risk, maths, physics, biology, philosopy, politics, sociology, bees, ants, computing, fiction, futurology, psychology, religion, logic puzzles, cosmology, and frickin' laser beams?
>
> OK, gotcha.
>
>
> Ben Zaiboc
>
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