[ExI] Whatever happened to peak oil by 2020?

Tomaz Kristan protokol2020 at gmail.com
Sat May 11 12:00:26 UTC 2013

> so everything needs to be driven from renewable only

There is nothing like renewable. If you are talking about the Sun (wind),
there is no greater energy spending around, than this of our star. Like
every star it burning mostly in vain.

(Putting down star fires is a must.)

A postmodernist friend said to me the other day. Can you imagine the energy
inefficiency going with the BMW for a bucket of parsley to the supermarket?

I told him, that in the whole energy chain needed  for this parsley, the
Mother Nature did it at least 1000 times worse than this BMW driver to the
mole and back.

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 02:02:07PM -0400, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:
> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Anything based on gasified coal is dead-ended, anyway
> >
> > ### Why?
> >
> > (only technical/economic issues, no eco-freak-caused legal/political
> > obstacles, please)
> It is funny you make that stipulation to me in particular.
> The reasons are simple enough -- peak total fossil is somewhen 2020..2030
> (the exact decade doesn't matter), so everything needs to be driven
> from renewable only. At this point your source of carbon can be abitrary,
> including direct CO2 capture from air, or scrubbing flue gas.
> See http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Oil-Gas-Methanol-Economy/dp/3527324224/
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