[ExI] eput this crazy system out of our misery: was RE: Euthanasia

[John Clark]

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 12:39 PM, spike wrote:

> I don’t understand why US creditors are as calm as they are.
>

Well just today there are hints that the Republicans may have found a
little sanity concerning the debt ceiling and won't set off the dynamite
suicide vest they have strapped to their chest for 6 weeks, and the stock
market went up 323 points.

> We are saying we must be allowed to borrow more money
>

Yes

 > at a faster pace
>

No, we're borrowing more money but the rate of increase has slowed. The
deficit has decreased for the last 2 years, it's 250 billion less this year
than last, 336 if you count the sequester.

> in order to pay our bills for things we have already bought.
>

Yes, borrowing money to pay your bills might or might not be bad depending
on circumstances, but not paying your bills is ALWAYS bad.

> Every single time the US government borrowed all it was allowed to borrow
> and has come back for more,
>

Yes.

 > as it is doing now.
>

Yes.

 > I consider that pretty good evidence that it will happen again.
>

Yes. Since 1960 the debt ceiling has been raised 78 times, but nevertheless
this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed law of gravity, and
far from inflation showing signs of returning today deflation seems to be a
far more pressing threat.

> Remind me again John why it is you are ashamed to belong to the party of
> Lincoln?
>

*Because REPUBLICAN congressman Ted Yoho said that the government of the
USA refusing to pay back the money it was owed:

"would bring stability to the world markets"

*Because REPUBLICAN congressman Mo Brooks said:

"In fact, our credit rating should be improved by not raising the debt
ceiling.”

*Because REPUBLICAN congressman Paul Brown said:

" All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big
Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it's lies
to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding
that they need a savior. You see, there are a lot of scientific data that
I've found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a
young Earth. I don't believe that the Earth's but about 9,000 years old. I
believe it was created in six days as we know them. That's what the Bible
says."

*Because REPUBLICAN Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell said:

"It is not enough to be abstinent with other people, you also have to be
abstinent alone. The Bible says that lust in your heart is committing
adultery. You can't masturbate without lust!" and “American scientific
companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice
with fully functioning human brains.”
and "You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving
into humans?"

*Because REPUBLICAN congressman Michele Bachman said:

"There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel
Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.”

*Because REPUBLICAN Senate candidate Joe Miller said:

"The first thing that has to be done is secure the border … East Germany
was very, very able to reduce the flow....  secure the border. If East
Germany could, we could.”

*Because REPUBLICAN Congressman  Glen Urquhart said:

“Do you know, where does this phrase ‘separation of church and state’ come
from? It was not in Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists. … The exact
phrase ‘separation of Church and State’ came out of Adolph Hitler’s mouth,
that’s where it comes from. So the next time your liberal friends talk
about the separation of Church and State, ask them why they’re Nazis.


> > Remind me again please that bit about we need to borrow more money to
> preserve the full faith and credit of the US?
>

Because if you owe me money and promise to pay me back today and you don't
pay me back today then I will have lost my faith in you and will never lone
you money again nor will anybody else once the word gets out, in other
words you would have lost your credit. If you don't have a lot of money it
might be irresponsible to go to a expensive restaurant, but it would be far
more irresponsible to stuff yourself and then refuse to pay the bill. It's
ridiculous we're even arguing over this Economics 101 point.

And I think the name you've renamed this thread to is interesting, just
blow up the entire economic world and start over from square one. Well I
can understand the appeal, there are a hell of a lot of things I'd like to
change if I could, I too would like to live in a libertarian utopia, but
we're so many light years from that it's just unrealistic to expect to
start civilization all over again from the stone age without several
billion deaths.  Historically grand plans to radically and instantly
transform a society NEVER end well.

> This government healthcare scheme DEFINITELY does shift the burden onto
> the backs of our children and grandchildren.
>

To hell with them, let them fight their own wars. Productivity improves, so
a dollar today is far more valuable than a dollar will be to my
grandchildren.

  John K Clark
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