[ExI] Be nice to leftists

[spike]

>… Behalf Of Eugenio Martínez
Subject: Re: [ExI] Be nice to leftists

 

 All those combined would scarcely scratch the surface of the numbers of Chinese the Japanese slew without any effective opposition.

 

>…Yeah. In war times things are different. Today we are in peace times…

Eugenio, if we weren’t heavily armed, we would be in war times.  Weakness is provocation.

>…Well.. with 30.000 persons dying for weapons every year in USA, it´s only semipeace…

Note where all those people are dying for weapons: it’s primarily in places where guns are illegal.  Weakness is provocation.

>…Of course. But then, they don´t have real communism in Cuba, or Korea, or URSS. So.. Capitalism, in theory, is great, but not possible in real life…

We should strive for it however.

Here’s an interesting thought experiment: allow a communist state, full-oh hard line theoretical communism.  Take one of the US states, make it communist (ja right, California.  No, I mean complete Marxist state communism.)  People can come and go, just as it has always been, and of course the federal government still wants its cut regardless of what your state government does to your paycheck; you don’t need to live there.  So open borders, anyone can come and go, one communist state.  What happens?  Why?

Question please: why do you suppose every time a Marxist state forms anywhere, it needs to build walls around itself, not just to keep freeloading outsiders out but to keep the productive prisoners in?  Communism converts its own citizens to slaves.  

If you want to argue that capitalism exports its slavery elsewhere, the solution seems clear enough to me in our modern times.  We now have the control system technology to have most slave labor done by robots.  Problem solved.

 

Capitalism makes you rich people.

 

I agree with good things about capitalism. It´s a good thing and a good step, because it makes humanity wealthy*. But there is a moment (and we are reaching that moment) when it is unsustainable, because it makes the rich people more rich and the poor people poorer…

There we disagree.  Capitalism makes the poor richer too.  Overpopulation makes the poor poorer.  But communism doesn’t solve that either.

>…In my country we have a 50% of young unemployment…

European governments have made the hiring of young people a bad bet.  High unemployment results.  Solution: dismantle the legal system that makes the hiring of the young a good bet.  Problem solved.  Of course they will be lousy low-paying jobs, perhaps a lot like the ones you and I held our misspent youth, but what was the result of that?  We got our asses in gear and arranged at all costs to get valuable skills.

>… In yours, 16.7 millions of poor children…

Ja, overbreeding rather than capitalism is to blame for that.

>…Again, the problem of real capitalism is the same that the problem of real anarchism. I can have a weapon, I can defend myself. But my neighbour, richer than me, have more weapons and an army. And nobody can defend me from him. So he can do whatever he want…

 

With adequate weapons, your neighbor will not attack.  Form a business together, makes something valuable, become rich.  Teach your children to do likewise.  All get rich together.

 

 

 

On the contrary sir, capitalism is the path to an economically sustainable way of life.  With capitalism we get the technology to clean our environment

 

>…And, if nobody forces to the industry to stop pollution, we get bopals, exxon´s, Prestiges, etc…

If people have money, they do force industry to stop pollution.  Every manufacturing process and every manufactured product has means of creating that product safely and cleanly.  Capitalism has markets which pressure manufacturers to do so.  Communist systems don’t do that.

>…I don´t know in USA. Europe is flooded with Made In China products…

Pretty much everything in the USA is manufactured in China, but I see that coming to an end soon.  Everything was once made in Japan, but their stuff became too expensive.  Example: motorcycles.  In the 1970s, American made motorcycles were rare as hens teeth.  Japan Inc manufacturing became expensive, Harley Davidson revived.  Capitalism worked.

>… My humanist solution is never buy anything from China. I can´t fight for them, because I am little. But I can stop finance them…

That’s the right answer.  Well done.  Of course, it takes away jobs from the poor in China, but hey, their manufacturing is going to become very expensive soon.  We borrow so much money from China, our dollar is going to crash hard some time in the next few years.  No one knows when.

>…Anyway, this is just semirelated to my complaints about capitalism. The second line is more related: The wicked people who destroy nature places or kill people who is in strike in Sudamerica (I am thinking now in Coca Cola) are the ones to blame because of the wicked acts, not capitalism. But capitalism is unable to control them, so they do whatever they want…

 

Socialism and communism don’t control that either.  But you can get fair-trade cola; that’s easy enough.  I find it encouraging that technology allows us to get a fair assessment of the negative impacts in manufacturing the items we buy, now more than ever.  If you want to be a responsible consumer, I applaud that.  Don’t look to government to do it for you; governments are corrupt, all of them.  Reduce their scope and authority, that’s how you reduce corruption. 

 

 

>…From Europe, right winged american politicians, with their creationism, their death penalties, their negacionism about climate change, etc are seen as monkeys with a box full of bombs…

 

Ja, and I see a gradual shift to redefine capitalism as right wing.  It isn’t the same thing.  You can be left or libertarian and still be a dedicated capitalist.

 

>…*Well... we all know that about the 75% of the money doesn´t exist... don´t we?

 

Only 75%?

spike

 

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