[ExI] ambiguously evil triplets, was: RE: [Bulk] Re: The list is in the timeline
spike
spike66 at att.net
Thu Dec 10 05:54:41 UTC 2015
From: extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dougherty
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [ExI] The list is in the timeline
On Dec 9, 2015 9:48 AM, "spike" <spike66 at att.net <mailto:spike66 at att.net> > wrote:
>>… Your comment has me pondering evil twins and triplets in general. The evil
> twin thing is fairly simple, the terms unambiguous. But once we introduce
> the complexity of triplets…
>…Now in this case of a triple, I'd like to propose something that already exists in the domain of set theory applied to SQL/database design; another dimension of evil: Null… Mike Dougherty…
OK so I pondered more on this and wrote a script to calculate multi-generation hetero- and homo-evaluation of the ethics of the siblings. The game is to sum the votes for righteousness, use that sum in each column as a multiplier for that sister’s vote to give each sister a new ethics score in generation 2. Repeat repeatedly. 30 generations should be enough silliness.
Case 1, the symmetrical case, each triplet gives herself a 1 for righteous and each chooses a different sister for the evil one. All three end up with a boring zero and nobody cares about their opinion because each are exactly between good and evil:
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
1
-1
0
Betty
0
1
-1
Carla
-1
0
1
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
3
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
5
0
0
0
Zzzzzzzz.
Case 2, Carla decides she isn’t so righteous, gives herself a neutral and gives her righteous vote to sister Alice:
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
1
-1
0
Betty
0
1
-1
Carla
1
-1
0
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
2
-1
-1
2
1
-2
1
3
2
-4
2
4
4
-8
4
5
8
-16
8
6
16
-32
16
7
32
-64
32
8
64
-128
64
9
128
-256
128
10
256
-512
256
11
512
-1024
512
12
1024
-2048
1024
13
2048
-4096
2048
If that happens, then Carla and Alice tie, both righteous, and Betty comes out as evil as Carla and Alice together are good. I am starting to think that righteousness might be a zero sum conserved quantity, neither created nor destroyed, but passed around between siblings.
Case 3, Carla decides she’s evil (perhaps for nuking the not-so-bad-once-you-get-to-know-her Betty) and gives herself an evil, again giving Alice the righteous vote:
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
1
-1
0
Betty
0
1
-1
Carla
1
0
-1
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
2
0
-2
2
0
-2
2
3
2
-2
0
4
2
-4
2
5
4
-6
2
6
6
-10
4
7
10
-16
6
8
16
-26
10
9
26
-42
16
10
42
-68
26
11
68
-110
42
12
110
-178
68
13
178
-288
110
14
288
-466
178
15
466
-754
288
16
754
-1220
466
Again, the sum of all evil is zero, and again Betty is as evil as Alice and Carla, but Alice wins. Here’s a graph. All the Alices will be orange (both start with vowels) all Bettys are Blue, all Carlas are Cyan, and no I didn’t know what color cyan is, yes I had to google on it. I won’t fake it: I am straight and can only see ten colors (the resistor color code.) Here’s the plot for case 3:
Now if the auto-evil Carla decides Betty is the good one, then the case is stable and boring once more:
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
1
-1
0
Betty
0
1
-1
Carla
0
1
-1
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
1
1
-2
2
1
-2
1
3
1
-2
1
4
1
-2
1
5
1
-2
1
6
1
-2
1
7
1
-2
1
8
1
-2
1
9
1
-2
1
10
1
-2
1
Now if Carla holds onto her low self-esteem and Betty gets into the whole less-holy-than-thou bit, it really gets crazy: Alice is forever stuck being the almost neutral one with the 1 score, but Betty and Carla trade places with each generation, becoming ever more evil and good:
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
1
-1
0
Betty
0
-1
1
Carla
0
1
-1
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
1
-1
0
2
1
0
-1
3
1
-2
1
4
1
2
-3
5
1
-6
5
6
1
10
-11
7
1
-22
21
8
1
42
-43
9
1
-86
85
10
1
170
-171
11
1
-342
341
12
1
682
-683
13
1
-1366
1365
14
1
2730
-2731
15
1
-5462
5461
16
1
10922
-10923
17
1
-21846
21845
18
1
43690
-43691
19
1
-87382
87381
20
1
174762
-174763
Sheeesh! Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy did the whole house-surfing bit, fatally smote the Witch of the East. We already know the Wicked Witch of the West was wicked (the name gives that away) and the Good Witch of the North is good (that name thing again) but we don’t know about East. She was flattened when we arrived. So perhaps she was the neutral, if we assume away the glaring absence of the southern girl.
But I digress.
If Alice gets into the whole self-identification-as-evil game (all three of these girls are in need of some basic psychological counseling (their parents must have been seriously deficient in child-rearing skills)) then more fun weirdness happens, with Alice marginally stable but boring (isn’t that the way it always goes?) and the other two increasingly schizophrenic or bipolar (I am an engineer, not a psychologist (BillW, save me from me, pal)):
Alice
Betty
Carla
Alice
-1
0
1
Betty
0
-1
1
Carla
0
1
-1
generation
Alice
Betty
Carla
1
-1
0
1
2
1
1
-2
3
-1
-3
4
4
1
7
-8
5
-1
-15
16
6
1
31
-32
7
-1
-63
64
8
1
127
-128
9
-1
-255
256
10
1
511
-512
11
-1
-1023
1024
12
1
2047
-2048
13
-1
-4095
4096
14
1
8191
-8192
15
-1
-16383
16384
16
1
32767
-32768
I have the software, if anyone here wants it.
spike
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