[ExI] The list is in the timeline and Religious Idiocy

[William Flynn Wallace]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 3:51 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

> >... On Behalf Of Anders Sandberg
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> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 8:46 PM,  John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ?Why is it OK to criticize somebody's beliefs about anything EXCEPT
> >> religion no matter how brain dead dumb it is? ...
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> >...There is also a fundamental problem with lack of tools for criticism.
> How many can make a good theological argument these days? ...
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> Anders Sandberg
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> Meeeeeee, I can.  I have been an atheist for over 30 years now, but I still
> remember how to do theological synthesis from my misspent youth.  I still
> know the lines of reasoning, the basic assumptions, the tools of the trade.
>
> I did observe something interesting from the old days: those who can do the
> most effective theological synthesis (creating novel lines of reasoning in
> theological matters (there are such things)) are those who are not
> themselves believers.
>
> spike
> ​I don't think we have to make any theological arguments.  All we have to
> do is to say that we are empiricists, so show me some concrete evidence of
> angels and all the rest.  As one cannot prove anything in religion, as it
> is outside the realm of empiricism, then I'd say the two cannot argue at
> all intelligently.
>

​To me, and maybe this is really overly simplistic, epistemology breaks
down into:

Rationalism, Intuitionism, Empiricism, and
Authoritarianism.  ​

​Each can hold truths  that are false or simply not applicable in any other
system​.  Rational theological arguments are meaningless in empiricism.

Right?  Spike?

bill w

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