[ExI] Fwd: Paper on "Detecting Qualia" presentation at 2015 MTA conference

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Sun Feb 1 02:26:27 UTC 2015

Well, qualia may be accepted as something that can exist a priori to memory
and humans in philosophy but not in any real science. There are a lot of
brilliant minds that dismiss the concept of qualia all together. And Orch
OR is superstition.

Qualia as neuroscience phenomenon can be explained easily if one thinks
about bottom up processes vs top down.
It is really all about this difference between processes like imagination,
that is a top down process, and perception that is a bottom up one.

The immediacy of qualia is due to the fact that they have to do with
perception and talking, discussing, describing them has to do with top down
processes. This why they seem so difficult to communicate and ineffable but
there is nothing ineffable about them at all. And I agree with Brent that
they are detectable if they are a real phenomenon; something that is not
detectable doesn't simply exist in the physical world (the only world that


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Henry Rivera <hrivera at alumni.virginia.edu>

> > On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:51 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think nature of the label itself, that is to say the essential qualia,
> comes from all the things in your memory
> I'm going a bit off topic here from Brent's original question...
> I think it's clear that John doesn't understand, accept, and/or believe in
> the concept of qualia, specifically that it is something that could exist a
> priori to memory and humans, for that matter. This is an accepted concept
> in philosophy of mind, and such acceptance is pretty much required for any
> productive discourse. Reevaluating the premise that qualia exist at all is
> fair-game I guess, but Brent is way past that and doesn't have the patience
> to do that, you can see.
> I support Orch OR which postulates that qualia are part of space time
> itself, embedded at the Planck scale. This avoids metaphysical solutions to
> the problem.
> This page from a book hosted on Google addresses these concepts succinctly:
> https://books.google.com/books?id=dd45AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA1&focus=viewport&output=html_text
> -Henry
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