[ExI] taxonomy for fermi paradox fans:

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Sun Feb 1 18:43:35 UTC 2015

The speed up hypothesis makes no sense. If you can speed up, you can also
slow down. If an advance civilizations masters suspended animation trips of
billion of light years could be experienced as just lasting minutes (in
particular if one can also travel close to c).
So slowing down of consciousness is not a solution to the Fermi's paradox.


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>

> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:00 AM,   "Flexman, Connor"
> <connor_flexman at brown.edu> wrote:
> snip
> > Just because our subjective time speeds up doesn't seem to imply a lack
> of
> > desire to optimize the cosmos for utils.
> I am not sure from what you write if you have your head around the subject.
> Consider it from the viewpoint of a person who is alive today and
> lives to a singularity event or is revived from cryonic suspension
> into a fast simulation.  It looks possible to do a million to one
> speedup, so as a first pass guess, assume that.
> What has happened from their view point is that all the distances have
> increased, by a million times.  Even the speed of light is slow, "A
> million-to-one speed up would impose a subjective round-trip delay of
> three days from one side of the earth to the other. Subjective round
> trip delay to the moon would be two months."
> http://web.archive.org/web/20121130232045/http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/
> If the population moves into a fast simulated environment, the
> subjective time to get to the stars becomes even more ridiculous than
> it is now.  It's a local version of inflation.  A single calendar year
> becomes a million years subjective.
> A million years isn't a lot in geological time, but civilization is
> less than 10,000 years old so this is 100 times that span.
> I once explained this to someone who was nothing short of horrified.
> (On the other hand, he had a cell phone.)  I told him that he could
> have the job of watching the blinken blinken lights and if they quit
> blinking, he was to push the reset button and restart uploaded
> civilization from the last check point.
> I am prompted to think about this as a non fatal reason we don't see
> any aliens or their works.
> Keith
>  It seems many of us would gladly
> > undertake the goal of sending colonizing expeditions to other galaxies
> even
> > if it took far past our lifetimes for them to arrive (provided all the
> > normal caveats of our ability to ensure the meaningfulness of the
> > colonizers' existence if they weren't humans, convergence of their values
> > with our own, etc.). I don't see why a sped-up civilization wouldn't do
> the
> > same. Subjective time might be sped up, but they can still attempt to
> > optimize the future. If they're undertaking speed-up at nanoscales, it's
> > also likely they have enough control that their lifetimes are vastly
> > extended in subjective time, if not longer than 100 years of our time.
> > Colonizing stars in our galaxy could be done many times in a lifetime.
> > Connor
> > --
> > Non est salvatori salvator,
> > neque defensori dominus,
> > nec pater nec mater,
> > nihil supernum.
> >
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