[ExI] Fwd: Paper on "Detecting Qualia" presentation at 2015 MTA conference

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at canonizer.com
Mon Feb 2 04:45:26 UTC 2015

Hi John,

On 2/1/2015 6:47 PM, John Clark wrote:
> And I still don't think you answered my question about consciousness 
> being fundamental. Do you think the series of all "why" continue for 
> infinity or do some of them eventually hit a brute fact?  I think data 
> processed intelligently producing intelligently is just such a brute 
> fact.

I guess I just don't understand what you are asking, then.  Because the 
prediction is that the brute fact will be proven that something in our 
brain has a fundamental redness quality.

>     > Everything behaves the same, at least until you ask them: "What
>     is red like for you". 
> And one of them would say "red is what gives black contrast, without 
> it vision would be useless", and the other one would say "I understand 
> completely, in my language we call that white".

I guess if you can't see all the obvious mistakes and confusion in these 
kinds of statements, and how "calling" something white (White is a piece 
of zombie information), has nothing to do with the quality being called 
"white", and how we are not talking about smoething being tagged, but 
the qualitative nature of the tag, itself, which enables you to know it 
is a redness tag (as apposed to a grenness tag) Then I am not sure what 
else I can say to help.

Isn't all that matters is the following?  The prediction is that we will 
be able to develop the ability to throw a switch turning on a new hack 
in your brain, and when we do this, you will for the first time, 
experience a new blue you have never experienced before.  If we do this, 
you must accept that this theory about the qualitative nature of 
whatever it is that has a new blue quality, as correct, and that you 
will no longer be a new blue zombie?


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