[ExI] Zombie glutamate

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at canonizer.com
Sun Feb 22 15:17:37 UTC 2015

There is something that is responsible for a redness quality.  And there 
is something detectably different, responsible for greenness. This must 
be, or the brain would not work.  This qualitative difference is the 
most important part of how consciousness works. Zombie intelligence has 
hardware interpreters for every single representation, that abstract 
anything physical like this, away, and it doesn't matter if you 
represent it with redness, greenness, silicone, +5 volts, or whatever, 
as long as you have interpretation hardware to convert it into ones and 

To think that we can't isolate and discover this neural correlate of 
redness, at a minimum, by discovering how our consciousness does it, is 
just dumb thinking.

John, surely you must agree that there is something, physical, that is 
responsible for an elemental redness quality, right?  And why would you 
think we can't discover what this neural correlate is?

Brent Allsop

On 2/21/2015 11:17 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On Sunday, February 22, 2015, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com 
> <mailto:johnkclark at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     On Sat, Feb 21, 2015  Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stathisp at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>         > If all the measurable inputs and outputs are replicated, how
>         is it possible that your brain can notice that there has been
>         a change in consciousness as a result of the replacement?
>     It's possible, although not probable, because consciousness is not
>     measurable.
> Suppose there is a gross change in your consciousness as a result of 
> the replacement. If you are conscious then you should notice and be 
> able to report the change. But the replacement results in normal 
> output to all of your brain, including the part that would notice a 
> change and then send output to your speech centre. So if there is 
> a change in your consciousness, the change will either go unnoticed 
> or, if noticed, you will be unable to report it and will have to watch 
> helplessly as your vocal cords say everything is normal.
> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou
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