[ExI] What would an IQ of 500 or 1000 look like?

spike spike66 at att.net
Mon May 25 20:00:40 UTC 2015

>... On Behalf Of David Lubkin
Subject: Re: [ExI] What would an IQ of 500 or 1000 look like?

Spike wrote:

>>...perhaps the most important: making appear an endless supply of dog
>The humans can solve so many problems, but we cannot manage what every 
>dog can do: identify people and beasts by sniffing them....

>...Dogs are our partners. Family, in a way that other species aren't. A dog
follows a gaze or pointed finger where a chimp doesn't...

An interesting example is this.  An intriguing explanation for this is that
dogs are more aware they are dependent on humans, or for whatever reason
they seem to like us more.  Chimps in captivity seem to have an attitude.
They don't really make good zoo animals in general because they seem to come
across as having a vague contempt for their nearest primate relatives.  They
don't (in general) seem to like to interact with us.  I had this pointed out
to me when I used the expression "a trained chimp could do this."  Turns out
it is damn hard to train a chimp, not because they aren't smart enough, but
because they don't like playing our games, and they seem aware that they
have resources to get what they want without us.

Part of the difference between chimps and dogs might be in the breeding:
thousands of generations we have chosen the best companion dogs and bred
them.  If we took wolf pups and domesticated them, it would be easy to
imagine they wouldn't have the people-friendly attitude domestic dogs have,
even the second generation.

>...I like the theory that partnering with dogs led to our becoming human.
When we could rely on their sense of smell, we no longer needed the neural
circuitry other species have. It was available to be re-purposed for
increasing intelligence...

That is a cool theory indeed, food for thought.

>...(I'm not sure how good the evidence is but if it's false, I'll still
want to pretend it's true. Dogs are family.)...

Ja, such good sports are they.

>...We often do let dogs' abilities slip away. But it's wonderful seeing a
dog's joy and apparent pride at working...

Ja, and it's fun to see what each species considers work.  I had some
friends with a sheepdog.  We were out in the back yard at a picnic.  He kept
walking around the perimeter of the crowd, bumping and nudging us.  It was a
big dog, so it couldn't be ignored.  It was a puzzling behavior until his
owner explained that he was herding us, according to instinctive internal
commands that even he didn't understand, but obeyed just the same.  He was
keeping his flock of humans together, in order to keep us safe.

Dogs are our friends.  I do hope the symbiosis did somehow impact human

>...I do not hope that we become AIs' beloved pets. I'd be fine with our
becoming their symbiotic partners. Whether as senior, junior, or peers TBD.
-- David.


I hear there are DARPA robot Olympics coming up.  This should be fun.


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