[ExI] Whistling past the graveyard

Tomaz Kristan protokol2020 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 6 15:56:11 UTC 2016


Regression to teachers all the way down to Socrates is also quite silly.

Besides, AlphaGo LEARNED how to play mainly by itself. And invented some
unseen variants.

It's not the first time that some previously unknown combinations has been
invented by a computer program, but this was a very clear case of that.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:06 PM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> John Clark - the things they are good at is a testament to the genius of
> the computer's teachers not of the computer itself
>
> Huh?  I assume a computer is a blank slate, so whatever it can do is what
> the 'teacher's' taught it (programmed it) to do.  Is there a difference
> between a computer and its programming??  (ignoring hardware, of course)
>
> bill w
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Tomaz Kristan <protokol2020 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Even this stupidity they show, could be emulated on a digital computer,
>> one day. And they perhaps somehow know that. We need intelligence, however.
>> Not the silliness they demonstrate so faithfully.
>>
>> We are probably less then a decade away from something quite spectacular
>> in this field. I am not saying that what we are seeing now isn't
>> spectacular - it is! I'm thinking about something even much, much more
>> spectacular. Those clowns will have nothing else to say then. That alone
>> will be priceless.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:32 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ​Back in 1997 when a computer beat the world Chess champion ​Piet Hut,
>>> an astrophysicist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton said "It
>>> may be a hundred years before a computer beats humans at Go — maybe even
>>> longer. If a reasonably intelligent person learned to play Go, in a few
>>> months he could beat all existing computer programs. You don’t have to be a
>>> Kasparov”. About the same time science writer George Johnson said "Defeating
>>> a human Go champion will be a sign that artificial intelligence is truly
>>> beginning to become as good as the real thing.”  But in today's new York
>>> Times Johnson says "That doesn’t seem so true anymore", and then in a
>>> orgie of sour grapes goes on to list the things that computers still aren't
>>> good at and to claim that the things they are good at is a testament to the
>>> genius of the computer's teachers not of the computer itself, so it's not
>>> really a big deal. It just shows what I've been saying, the goal post is
>>> always moving and true intelligence is whatever a computer isn't good at,
>>> YET.
>>>
>>>  John K Clark
>>>
>>>
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