[ExI] nutrition - phthlates

[Rafal Smigrodzki]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki <
> rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> ### Yeah, exactly, how often has industry resisted regulation of things
>> that turned out to be really bad? Can you name examples? (aside from
>> tobacco) How many thousands of examples can you adduce? Hundreds? Dozens?
>> Compared to how many millions of products that are on the market? How many
>> specific examples of substance regulation have unequivocally positive net
>> effects on human welfare?
>>
>
> I could name dozens without trying too hard. Tetraethyllead in gasoline is
> one obvious example. Two more low-hanging fruit are lead in plumbing and
> lead in paint.
>

### Yeah, but how long can you keep it up? Long enough to provide a general
justification for the use of a monopoly long-feedback-loop non-consensual
mechanism for generating rules?

The problem with monopoly long-feedback-loop non-consensual mechanisms is
that they inevitably mutate towards destructive effects (obviously, since
there are infinitely more ways of destruction that there are ways of
creation), and without exit (i.e. given monopoly), with poor feedback
control and without consent there is no way for their victims to stop the
destruction. So, you should always try to support, agitate for and use
competitive short-feedback-loop consensual mechanisms.

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>
>> Data are suspect to begin with. Singling out "industry" to be distrusted
>> is manipulative.
>>
>
> Except they have a history of selling dangerous products.
>

### They also have a history of yanking dangerous products off the market
or going bankrupt if they don't.
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>
> I like the UL, formerly Underwriters Laboratories, model of ensuring
> product safety. Government isn't involved and rated products are generally
> safe.
>

### Absolutely. UL is a consensual, non-monopoly mechanism with a longish
but not pathetically long feedback loop. It shows how much better our world
would be if everybody thought like me.

Rafał
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