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Adrian Tymes atymes at gmail.com
Tue May 10 02:11:17 UTC 2016

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Tell me where did I lie.

"The references you adduce provide no information in support of FDA's
attack on vapes."

That's the main one.  You provided follow-up cherry picking a few points,
suggesting there was nothing else, but that statement said there was no
supporting information, yet there was.  In addition to the many health
problems noted, things like "The electronic cigarette cartridges that were
labeled as containing no nicotine had low levels of nicotine present in all
cartridges tested, except one." state that e-cigarettes tend to have false
advertising too, which would be reason enough to go after them.

That said, there were inaccuracies in the follow-ups you did provide.
(Though you were correct that the FDA memo suggests the nicotine in
e-cigarettes comes from tobacco - but again, there was far more in the memo
than that.)

"The BMJ article summarizes the low reliability of research on vapes"

The variability was in the e-cigarettes studied.  That of course causes
variability in the studies; it doesn't say the research itself isn't

"the third one shows actually a reasonably good level of precision in
labeling of nicotine content of vapes"

Actually, the third one states, "Electronic cigarette solutions may have
nicotine concentrations that are significantly (i.e., 30%) different than
manufacturer claims."  So by its standards, there is not "a reasonably good
level of precision in labeling of nicotine content".

"Also, you are engaging in manipulative rhetoric ("garbage-quality

That may be your opinion (even if you try to frame it as objective fact),
but I was summarizing this from the FDA reference, backed up by the BHJ
study: "DPA's testing also suggested that quality control processes used to
manufacture these products are inconsistent or non-existent."  A complete
lack of quality control is garbage quality, relative to what is normally
expected for something meant to go in our bodies.
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