[ExI] chain rule

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun May 22 14:32:06 UTC 2016

Did we suddenly introduce a really good alternate path to success, one I
> have perceived as missing for a long time and needed for even longer?

I am just not sure what you want.  Of course I would separate students on
the basis of aptitude and let the upper group advance as rapidly as they
want to - meaning each individual goes at the pace he wants, not that he
has to follow his group.  Otherwise, big waste of time.

But I think you are asking what happens when a kid is home schooled.  That
would take a developmental psychologist, which I am not, to answer.  Kids
learn what's acceptable and what's not, not only from their parents, but
from their peers.  In fact they value the peers' opinions far more than
their parents.  So if you take them out of the social mix, I dunno what
happens.  But I'll bet there is a lot of research on it.

In answer to another question I noted that not too many employers are
willing to hire a 15 year old, even if they have a Master's degree.  I did
not watch Doogie Howard (SP?) but there will be definite problems with
teens interacting with adults.

So, if you will, be a bit more precise about the environment you think will
work that is different from our traditional one.......

bill w

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 3:25 AM, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 May 2016 at 02:06, spike  wrote:
> > We have long thought of education as a ticket into an office somewhere,
> the
> > starting point of a career.  Seldom are these tickets issued to those
> > younger than about 21 or 22.
> >
> > OK what if we can now go around all those traditional roadblocks which
> > slowed the racehorses and kept them back with the herd?
> > Bill w this is your field.  What happens when a generation is suddenly
> set
> > free and we find what plenty of us suspected for a long time, that it
> does
> > not take 16 years to master that curriculum you patiently outlined.  It
> > doesn't take leaving home, going deeply into debt, doesn't require
> joining a
> > frat, going to sports events, doesn't really require any of the
> traditional
> > clutter in and around the usual four year college.
> >
> > Did we suddenly introduce a really good alternate path to success, one I
> > have perceived as missing for a long time and needed for even longer?
> >
> Sorry, Spike, but you will run into physical growth limits. The
> teenage brain is still a work in progress. The human brain goes
> through big physical changes up until the early 20s age. Why do you
> think teens act so crazy?  :)
> A search will find a lot of documentation.
> Try:
> <
> https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml
> >
> Quotes:
> An understanding of how the brain of an adolescent is changing may
> help explain a puzzling contradiction of adolescence: young people at
> this age are close to a lifelong peak of physical health, strength,
> and mental capacity, and yet, for some, this can be a hazardous age.
> Mortality rates jump between early and late adolescence. Rates of
> death by injury between ages 15 to 19 are about six times that of the
> rate between ages 10 and 14. Crime rates are highest among young males
> and rates of alcohol abuse are high relative to other ages. Even
> though most adolescents come through this transitional age well, it’s
> important to understand the risk factors for behavior that can have
> serious consequences. Genes, childhood experience, and the environment
> in which a young person reaches adolescence all shape behavior. Adding
> to this complex picture, research is revealing how all these factors
> act in the context of a brain that is changing, with its own impact on
> behavior
> -------
> The assumption for many years had been that the volume of gray matter
> was highest in very early childhood, and gradually fell as a child
> grew. The more recent scans, however, revealed that the high point of
> the volume of gray matter occurs during early adolescence.
> While the details behind the changes in volume on scans are not
> completely clear, the results push the timeline of brain maturation
> into adolescence and young adulthood. In terms of the volume of gray
> matter seen in brain images, the brain does not begin to resemble that
> of an adult until the early 20s.
> The scans also suggest that different parts of the cortex mature at
> different rates. Areas involved in more basic functions mature first:
> those involved, for example, in the processing of information from the
> senses, and in controlling movement. The parts of the brain
> responsible for more "top-down" control, controlling impulses, and
> planning ahead—the hallmarks of adult behavior—are among the last to
> mature.
> -----------
> So for the teenage years 14-19ish, you will find education becomes a
> very different experience.  :)
> Note: classic English understatement!
> BillK
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