[ExI] cool article by shostak

[Stathis Papaioannou]

The behaviour would be similar to the behaviour of biological humans, who
through interacting with you convince you that they are conscious and have
feelings, even though you can't be absolutely sure.

On 18 November 2016 at 10:09, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> If the behaviour associated with emotions can be replicated by a computer,
>> the emotions should follow. Otherwise, we would be able to make a partial
>> philosophical zombie, which is logically problematic:
>>
>
> ​I think you have to separate internal feelings from overt behavior.
> Running, for instance, could signal fear or joy.  Inferring an internal
> state from an external one is highly problematic. (If I understand what you
> are saying.)
>  bill w​
>
>
>>
>>
>>> It's a very fine line.  I like this analogy:  suppose a frog whose
>>> ability to jump is limited to 5 inches, vertically.  Then that frog is put
>>> at the bottom of a staircase in which each step is 6 inches.  Another frog
>>> who can jump 6 inches can go all the way to the top.
>>>
>>> So what looks like a huge qualitative difference between these two frogs
>>> is really a very small quantitative difference.
>>>
>>> Very fine line between us and apes.
>>>
>>> Is intelligence really just a quantitative thing, or are dozens of
>>> qualitative processes there too?  Emotions can vary quantitatively but the
>>> biggest feature of them is qualitative - anger is different from anxiety,
>>> for example.
>>>
>>> I wish I knew enough about AI to understand how they are going to
>>> program qualitative states into a computer.
>>>
>>> I wish someone knew enough about animal emotions for us to compare us to
>>> them.
>>>
>>> It would seem that emotions are a much more fuzzy topic than
>>> intelligence, but perhaps our definitions of intelligence just are too
>>> limited to appreciate the nonquantitative aspects of it.
>>>
>>> I am not trying to define what a human is, or just how we differ from
>>> lower animals.  I don't think we know enough for that yet.
>>>
>>> bill w
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> I agree with the logic of this article, but there's something
>>>>> missing.Yeah - it's the rest of what it means to be human: emotions and
>>>>> feelings and smells and tastes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​That's not what makes us human, other creatures on this planet have
>>>> been able to feel and smell and taste for at least ​500 million years,
>>>> they've behaved as if they had emotions too. It's intelligence that
>>>> distinguishes us from the other animals and makes us human.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> Would I give up those things for a higher IQ?  What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​I see no reason you couldn't have both.​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> If you would, you are as cold as the machines referred to in the
>>>>> article.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​I think it would be easier, far easier, for us to make a emotional
>>>> machine ​that a intelligent, certainly Evolution found that to be the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​John K Clark​
>>>>
>>>>
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>> http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html
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