[ExI] deplorables: was RE: Nobody can say we weren’t warned

[spike]

>… On Behalf Of John Clark
Subject: Re: [ExI] Nobody can say we weren’t warned

 

 

>… if Trump wins I'm not going to put the Mr. What is Aleppo crowd in my blameless book…

 

I see.  Does it work the same if Clinton wins and it turns out badly?  

 

 

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​>…Trump could do what he did in 2012 when the election didn't turn out as he wished, call for an insurrection:  ​

 

 

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We should have a revolution in this country!

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We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty.

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Oh perish the thought how shall we cope woe is me oy vey.

 

I don’t see anything in that about taking up arms.  Do you?

 

John people march on Washington all the time.  We saw a million guys do it on 16 October 1995, or some indeterminate large number.  That too was called a revolution.  Life goes on.  

 

We have revolutions now too.  Bernie Sanders called for it.  His was defeated by cheating, but the result was left to stand.  Had there been no cheating, it isn’t at all clear to me that Bernie’s revolution would have failed.  We would be left with one mainstream candidate who we could at least hold a modicum of respect, even if we disagree with him and know his administration would be a flop before he was even sworn in.

 

>…once Trump gets into power how will we ever get him out? John K Clark​

 

Impeachment, if he does anything illegal.  Trump would be waaaay easier to impeach than Clinton.  Reasoning: she has a party behind her and Trump does not.  We have seen an impeachment vote split along party lines, in pretty recent memory with familiar names.

 

>… in 2012 people just ignored the bozo but there are a lot more deplorables in Trump's basket now in 2016…

 

Oy, the infamous basket of deplorables comment again.

 

OK, thought experiment, let us assume a basket of deporables exists.  Pretty easy to do: every society everywhere has deplorables.  Who goes in there?  Criminals.  (Any objections to labelling criminals as deplorable?  (We don’t need to make special subcategories for anything, such as tax cheats, because they are criminals (in ya go, sleazebags.)))  

 

How about… hmmm… racists.  OK that’s certainly deplorable, in they go.  (Note that others cannot assign the status to them any more than we can privately decide what is illegal and toss them in for being criminal.  Courts decide that.) 

 

How about abortion advocates and abortion adversaries?  Both?  Neither?

 

Those who advocate certain religions?  Which?  All religions?  Only violent ones?

 

Is Sam the video-guy deplorable?

 

Can one land in the basket for political views?  Who gets to decide which?  Do I?  Do you?  Do the major candidates?  Only the two parties’ candidates?

 

Rich people?  (Does it matter how they got rich?)

 

Poor people?  (Does it matter how they got poor?)

 

Nazis?

 

Communists?

 

Socialists?

 

Capitalists?

 

Who goes in that basket?

 

Before we can give any credence to the whole notion of a basket of deplorables, we need to know who gets that label, how they got there, and so forth.  I only thought of a few criteria so far, but there is only one category above that is unambiguous, criminals.  This is defined (no secret code needed) as one who breaks the law, done.

 

We can even skate on traffic law (otherwise anyone who drives becomes deplorable eventually, even if by accident.)  Even the second category is tricky, because we have all been labeled racists by someone (not just the drivers here, all of us.)  I suppose we are left to relying on one’s own admission, and their willingness to climb into the basket voluntarily.  

 

Political views, well some are wearing that deplorable badge with pride now; I am seeing the T-shirts “I was deplorable BEFORE it was cool” etc.  Who gets to decide which political views?

 

Question please: if we assume the existence of a basket of deplorables, who goes in there?  Why?

 

spike

 

 

 

 

 

 

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