[ExI] deplorables: was RE: Nobody can say we weren’t warned

[William Flynn Wallace]

OK, thought experiment, let us assume a basket of deporables exists.
Pretty easy to do: every society everywhere has deplorables.  Who goes in
there?  Criminals.  (Any objections to labelling criminals as deplorable?
 spike

Are we assuming just for the POTUS?  If so, are we counting traffic
tickets?  Insider trading?  What?

If not, then for what?  Lesser offices down to dogcatcher?  I would not
eliminate certain criminals for certain jobs.  How about those who were
pardoned?  Or DUI?  Hell, once I spend the night in jail because of an
alcohol test.  Am I deplorable?   I think there needs to be some balance
here, and maybe some forgiveness for some crimes.

Once you create a category and start putting some people in it, there may
be a problem stopping, and maybe a problem expanding the criteria, as Spike
seems to suggest.

bill w

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:19 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> I don’t see anything in that about taking up arms.  Do you?
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> John people march on Washington all the time.  We saw a million guys do it
> on 16 October 1995, or some indeterminate large number.  That too was
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> We have revolutions now too.  Bernie Sanders called for it.  His was
> defeated by cheating, but the result was left to stand.  Had there been no
> cheating, it isn’t at all clear to me that Bernie’s revolution would have
> failed.  We would be left with one mainstream candidate who we could at
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> impeach than Clinton.  Reasoning: she has a party behind her and Trump does
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> >… in 2012 people just ignored the bozo but there are a lot more
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> Oy, the infamous basket of deplorables comment again.
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> OK, thought experiment, let us assume a basket of deporables exists.
> Pretty easy to do: every society everywhere has deplorables.  Who goes in
> there?  Criminals.  (Any objections to labelling criminals as deplorable?
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> cheats, because they are criminals (in ya go, sleazebags.)))
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> How about… hmmm… racists.  OK that’s certainly deplorable, in they go.
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> privately decide what is illegal and toss them in for being criminal.
> Courts decide that.)
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> How about abortion advocates and abortion adversaries?  Both?  Neither?
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> Those who advocate certain religions?  Which?  All religions?  Only
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> Is Sam the video-guy deplorable?
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> Can one land in the basket for political views?  Who gets to decide
> which?  Do I?  Do you?  Do the major candidates?  Only the two parties’
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> Rich people?  (Does it matter how they got rich?)
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> Poor people?  (Does it matter how they got poor?)
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> Nazis?
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> Before we can give any credence to the whole notion of a basket of
> deplorables, we need to know who gets that label, how they got there, and
> so forth.  I only thought of a few criteria so far, but there is only one
> category above that is unambiguous, criminals.  This is defined (no secret
> code needed) as one who breaks the law, done.
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> We can even skate on traffic law (otherwise anyone who drives becomes
> deplorable eventually, even if by accident.)  Even the second category is
> tricky, because we have all been labeled racists by someone (not just the
> drivers here, all of us.)  I suppose we are left to relying on one’s own
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> Political views, well some are wearing that deplorable badge with pride
> now; I am seeing the T-shirts “I was deplorable BEFORE it was cool” etc.
> Who gets to decide which political views?
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> Question please: if we assume the existence of a basket of deplorables,
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