[ExI] Weird!? - He's not on Facebook

[William Flynn Wallace]

I will turn it around and ask: has anyone here comments on the notion of
being terrified or comforted by constant surveillance?  Do you have
examples of kids now in their teens who have always been under constant
surveillance and get nervous when they are not?  USians, are you good with
all outside-your-home surveillance being 4th amendment compliant?  Does
surveillance protect us or threaten us, or both?  Does it enable government
wrongdoing, or expose and eliminate it, or both.  Do explain please.  dave
still

I just don't care what they know about me, my friends, where I shop and
what I buy - so far that has been beneficial to me, in that suggestions for
what to buy next has been great.  I can't see that anyone who is not a tax
evader or other criminal of some sort has anything to fear.

All we have to fear is someone coming after the innocent for some reason.
And being used in illegal ways, such has been done, I think, by the CIA,
NSA and so on.  It certainly enables wrongdoing.  So does owning a hammer.
On balance surveillance protects us, though not very much, unless the gov
is hiding data, which I assume they are.

I do hope surveillance is being used to catch tax cheats, esp. the rich who
are hiding money overseas.  I am much more concerned about that, because
that is huge numbers of people and mountains of money, whereas catching
terrorists is a rare thing, if in fact we are told about it.

There is frankly a lot of paranoia about this and I don't see where any of
it is justified.  What can be done could be enormously evil.  It's a tool
at the other end of the scale from the hammer. And it is now a fact of life
and will not go away - period.

bill w

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> >>...Also, I read George Orwell’s 1984 at an impressionable age, and the
> idea of being under constant surveillance terrifies me...
> (guy in BillK's article)
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> I too read Orwell at an impressionable age, but constant surveillance does
> not terrify me.  It gives me ever more determination to make sure
> government behaves properly, as in within the strict bounds of the
> constitution.  That book is what made me such a persistent Orwell
> drum-beater, no apologies offered.
>
>
> >...I wonder if the revival of 1984 will reduce the popularity of posting
> everything on Facebook?  BillK
>
> "...revival of 1984..." oh music to my ears, thanks BillK, a book which
> never should have needed revival, should be required reading for all public
> school teenagers, even has drinking and a sex scene in it (of sorts) to
> motivate them.
>
> I will turn it around and ask: has anyone here comments on the notion of
> being terrified or comforted by constant surveillance?  Do you have
> examples of kids now in their teens who have always been under constant
> surveillance and get nervous when they are not?  USians, are you good with
> all outside-your-home surveillance being 4th amendment compliant?  Does
> surveillance protect us or threaten us, or both?  Does it enable government
> wrongdoing, or expose and eliminate it, or both.  Do explain please.  BillK
> and you chaps in Jolly Olde and enlightened places, what does 1984 do to
> you?
>
> spike
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