[ExI] Single Payer Healthcare

Thu Mar 30 03:12:14 UTC 2017

>> I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the
US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical
large employer plan.

On 30 March 2017 at 12:41, Dylan Distasio <interzone at gmail.com> wrote:

> I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the
> US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical
> large employer plan.
>
> On Mar 29, 2017 8:10 PM, "Jason Resch" <jasonresch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:51 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017  Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >>
>>>>> The USA has gone backward. In 1960
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > 
>>>> Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you
>>>> say that has nothing to do with this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it as
>>> this thread is about medical legislation. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> > 
>>>> Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted
>>> decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and
>>> the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get
>>> more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a
>>> libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but
>>> reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer.
>>>
>>> > 
>>>> My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Factoid my ass! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of those 30 countries you can't find one that is anything like the
>>> USA? Are Canadians a different species?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> .
>>>> > 
>>>> Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might benefit
>>>> from.
>>>>   
>>>> Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot in
>>> recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to
>>> 16.8%
>>> in 2015 
>>> vs 19.3% in
>>> Japan. 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>> > 
>>>> The Japanese life expectancy is higher.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on health
>>> with their single payer plan and the USA spends
>>> $ 9405
>>>  with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be
>>> explained away as a rounding error.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It also costs $2000 to get an MRI in the US and $200 in Japan. It's
>> actually cheaper to get a round trip ticket to Japan and get an MRI there
>> then to get one down the street.
>>
>> Jason
>>
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Stathis Papaioannou

The actual cost - paid by Government, insurer or patient - of health care
is higher in the US compared to other countries with similar per capita GDP.
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