[ExI] Single Payer Healthcare

[Jason Resch]

An analysis of why the US spends so much and how it could be fixed:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231949

Jason

On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in
> the US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a
> typical large employer plan.
>
> On 30 March 2017 at 12:41, Dylan Distasio <interzone at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','interzone at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I assume you're talking about someone with little or no insurance in the
>> US, as the MRI would likely be the same price otherwise based on a typical
>> large employer plan.
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2017 8:10 PM, "Jason Resch" <jasonresch at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jasonresch at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:51 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','johnkclark at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017  Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danust2012 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>>> ​>>​
>>>>>> The USA has gone backward. In 1960
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you
>>>>> say that has nothing to do with this?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it
>>>> as this thread is about medical legislation. ​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted
>>>> decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and
>>>> the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get
>>>> more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a
>>>> libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but
>>>> reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer.
>>>>
>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Factoid my ass! ​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​Of those 30 countries you can't ​find one that is anything like the
>>>> USA? Are Canadians a different species?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might
>>>>> benefit from.
>>>>> ​  ​
>>>>> Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot
>>>> in recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to
>>>> 16.8%
>>>> ​in 2015 ​
>>>> vs 19.3% in
>>>> ​Japan. ​
>>>>   ​
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ​> ​
>>>>> The Japanese life expectancy is higher.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on
>>>> health with their single payer plan and the USA spends
>>>> $ 9405
>>>> ​ with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be
>>>> explained away as a rounding error.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It also costs $2000 to get an MRI in the US and $200 in Japan. It's
>>> actually cheaper to get a round trip ticket to Japan and get an MRI there
>>> then to get one down the street.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
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> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
>
> The actual cost - paid by Government, insurer or patient - of health care
> is higher in the US compared to other countries with similar per capita GDP.
>
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