[ExI] Translation AI (was dying?)

Thu May 18 14:21:05 UTC 2017

It is entirely possible to build an organic radio receptor.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369702106714444 has
a bunch of links for organic circuit elements; it's a short hop from
there to organic radio transceivers.  adrian

So maybe it's not a very long hop to attaching/implanting/messing with the
genes, organic radios to/in our brains.  That would give us two parts of
the electromagnetic spectrum (light of course).  Couple that with an
organic radio transmitter and you have unbelievable numbers of
applications.  Plus, you won't have to worry about the interface between
organic/neurons/glial cells, and electronics.  bill w
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What happens if someone discovers how to keep brain
plasticity even in advanced age - and if we figure out how to make
neurons transmit information faster, and that starts seeing wide
adoption?  adrian

The plasticity would be great and I am not opposed to faster neurons, but
have this question:  how many great ideas, or even very good ones, sprang
into our heads like the benzene ring?  I get the idea that great
discoveries took lots of time, years even, to ferment and find final form,
which morphed into variations, applications, etc.  I am not so sure that
more speed would be an advantage in the creative part - maybe in the rote
memory part.

So I am not sure that faster would be better.  We'll never compete with PCs.

bill w

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is entirely possible to build an organic radio receptor.
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369702106714444 has
> a bunch of links for organic circuit elements; it's a short hop from
> there to organic radio transceivers.
>
> I've been trying not to spam about CubeCab, which is taking more of my
> time these days.  (Most of the day tomorrow, in fact.)  Although, I
> can think of one on-topic anecdote from just this past weekend about
> the state of translation AI.
>
> We're presenting at the Paris Air Show next month, specifically June
> 23rd.  I'm not going myself because I've got another presentation the
> preceding week and might have another one the weekend of the 23rd
> (details likely to be fluid until that weekend), but I am trying to
> coordinate logistics.  Part of that is coming up with a pair of
> free-standing posters for the booth.
>
> Currently we're thinking one will be all pictures and symbols, and the
> other will have text.  PAS asked that the text one be English on one
> side and French on the other, and to send them our posters' images for
> review.  (The deadline to submit was last Monday.  I assume this was
> so anyone who doesn't meet their standards has a month to redo.)  I do
> not speak French, but Google Translate does.
>
> The English text came out as kind of a manifesto.  (I can C&P the
> English & French text here if anyone asks - but I'll only do it if
> asked, to make sure it isn't spam.)  I auto-translated it into French,
> translated the result back into English to catch the few sentences
> that needed restating (just changed the word choices until the
> translation loop came up with something close enough to the original),
> and submitted it to PAS for review.
>
> I gather the PAS guys are in France and probably native French
> speakers, from their names, email addresses, and general contact
> information.  I very strongly suspect they have nontrivial quality
> standards: the Paris Air Show is the largest in the world (in the
> odd-numbered years its held in; there's another European one in
> even-numbered years), with representatives from all the major air
> forces and aerospace companies, so the organizers are unlikely to
> half-ass stuff.  This is likely to be the strongest test of French
> skills that I and any automation I use* will face in the immediate
> future.
>
> The simple round-trip translation and correction produced results good
> enough for them.  The only cost to me, the business owner needing to
> meet foreign marketing standards, was less than an extra half hour of
> my time - and now I have (kind of) written a manifesto in French, like
> many a proper revolutionary.
>
> * Notice how that comes off, BTW.  It's not "the robots do this for
> me", but "automation extends what I can do - and thus what I am
> responsible for, so the onus is on me to make sure I use it right".
> An increasing amount of this kind of experience leads me to suspect
> the Singularity will come via merging man and machine - perhaps
> involving mind uploading, or perhaps merely extreme cybernetics
> coupled with anti-aging advances - rather than AIs that never were
> human replacing humanity.
>
> As such, I wonder if things like learning how to learn (which is
> starting to be taught formally), and being more aware of our own
> bio-mental architecture, are among the early glimmers of the
> Singularity.  What happens if someone discovers how to keep brain
> plasticity even in advanced age - and if we figure out how to make
> neurons transmit information faster, and that starts seeing wide
> adoption?
>
> What does figuring out how to be smarter feel like, to yourself and to
> others?
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, William Flynn Wallace
> <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is this group just not interested any more?  Don't want new discussions
> of
> > perhaps old ideas?
> >
> > Then I"ll post book reviews and health stuff - if no one objects.
> >
> > To be fair, objectors have to post something themselves.
> >
> > I can't believe all these brilliant minds don't have anything to say.
> >
> > Am reading Nate Silver's book Signal and Noise.  Will never believe an
> > economist again.
> >
> > Interesting if absurd idea:  can we build something organic that can
> receive
> > radio signals?
> >
> > bill w
> >
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