[ExI] Human species model

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 4 14:22:48 UTC 2018

Spike wrote

bill w wrote We  now know …that these two things are very, very wrong.

Spike wrote  On the contrary.  If we look at the postulates suggested, time
has proven both very right.

Spike, we are having a very serious breakdown in understanding  You are not
seriously saying that learning is everything, meaning genetics counts for
nothing, or that people are totally rational.

Please explain

bill w

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 3:53 PM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> When our Constitution and Bill of Rights were created, our philosophers
> and others of the elite believed two very fundamental things:  that people
> were rational, and that learning was everything, according to the Blank
> Slate idea put forth by John Locke.
> We now know and have established by numerous experiments and other data,
> that these two things are very, very wrong.
> The question is what do we do about it?  Keith suggests that we need to
> know evolution.  Why not, instead of framing human nature as being created
> by evolution, avoid the pushback and just inform people of what we are like
> without reference to how we got that way?
> What all of this may lead to is beyond my imagination to consider, but
> clearly some changes need to be made.  I think economics may be making
> some, based on Kahneman's data showing how irrational people can be.  We
> need to do something like this in every area of our lives.  Ideas?
> This is far too simplistic a view of the worldview at that time in the US
> and the Atlantic world. You’re forgetting that Locke, while very
> influential in regards to rights theory and politics, was already dead
> nearly 90 years by this time and other thinkers, such as Hume, Rousseau,
> and Adam Smith were of no small influence. While Rousseau would probably
> fit into the more simplistic model, Hume and Smith don’t, especially when
> it comes to moral theory and action.
> And this is hardly academic since the Framers and other Founders (since
> many Founders were anti-Constitution I distinguish between the former and
> the latter) were not all Lockeans and were worried about specifically mob
> rule, factionalism, and other things we could sweep into the category of
> the irrational.
> The later model of rationality in economics arose with folks like Ricardo
> and later economists.
> Regards,
> Dan
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