[ExI] Canonizer 2.0

[William Flynn Wallace]

Next, we want to use it for things like global warming.  I can’t wait to
see what kind of consensus people can really find on supposedly important
topics like that.
Now my question is:  who are the people?  National surveys?  Surveys of the
intelligentsia?  Vetting other surveys done by, say, National Science
Foundation or some other like Roper?  If you are going to actually perform
surveys, then you need psychometricians/social psychologists so avoid
asking question in a biased way, or in such a way as to get biased answers,
and to survey people in a statistically appropriate way.

 We want to find, build consensus around, measure it rigorously, what
people agree on  with room for any different points of view.

On the topic of consciousness citing people like Dennett, you are likely to
find high reliability - same answers next year.  On topics like global
warming, you are likely to find variations, sometimes wide, in what people
think today and last year and next year.

I guess some of my concerns are about: are you going to vet other data for
rigor, or are you going to produce raw data and who is going to vet yours?

bill w


On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:22 PM Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> William,
>
> You seem to be thinking of this as a traditional survey.  It is not!  When
> David Chalmers herd about our survey, he had the same concerns you did.
> The egghead stole my idea, but thought he could do it better, so he did it
> the traditional way:
>
> https://philpapers.org/surveys/
>
> That was a disaster, and it just falsely reinforced the belief everyone
> had that there was no consensus, whatsoever in this field.
>
> Traditional surveys are about what people disagree on.  We want to find,
> build consensus arround, measure it rigorously, what people agree on  with
> room for any different points of view.  A very different task.
>
> Brent
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:31 PM William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> to brent alsop\
>>
>> I went to the website and still don't quite know what you are up to.  If
>> it is any kind of surveying, questionnaires, etc.,  I want to know who you
>> have and what are their qualifications.  Designing these things takes
>> experts.  I am a social psychologist and know very well that you can sway
>> opinions wildly and inaccurately by the designs - the wording of the
>> questions, etc..
>> bill w
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brent where the heck have you been man?  Seems like a long time since we
>>> heard from ya.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> spike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Brent Allsop
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 8:56 AM
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>>> *Cc:* Jim Bennett <jim at bennettgrouputah.com>
>>> *Subject:* [ExI] Canonizer 2.0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi fellow extropians,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For those who haven't heard, now that we have a little Ether money,
>>> we've launched Canonizer 2.0.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My Partner Jim Bennett just put together this video:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://vimeo.com/307590745
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested in "investing"  (legally, we need to call it
>>> donating, at least for now - till we do our canonizer security token
>>> offering.) to help move things forward, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brent Allsop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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