[ExI] Chalmers

Will Steinberg steinberg.will at gmail.com
Tue Dec 17 01:31:16 UTC 2019

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 19:53 Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 09:11, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> Someone in an earlier post, said that he was their favorite philosopher.
>> I see in a recent Aeon article that he thinks consciousness is an illusion
>> and is a dualist.
>> I would love to see the day when metaphysical explanations are entirely
>> in the past, but probably won't.
>> So - it's an illusion.  Does that mean that I think I am seeing typed
>> words on my laptop screen but actually I am not?
>> In the same article it seems that the terms 'sensation and perception'
>> are no longer used, in favor of 'access consciousness' and 'phenomenal
>> consciousness'.  How are these terms any improvement other than to get
>> further away from the common person's understanding?  ("Have to be esoteric
>> or people will think we are full of shit."  which possibly they are)
> Chalmers does not believe consciousness is an illusion. I went to a talk
> he gave where he discussed this as a rather odd idea. He is a property
> dualist, not a substance dualist, like Descartes. The idea that
> consciousness is an illusion comes from physicalists like Daniel Dennett,
> because they think the apparent dualistic aspect of consciousness is an
> illusion.

Ok, thought so.  Dennett is my nemesis, George R. R. Martin lookin
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