[ExI] Sunday Creationist

[William Flynn Wallace]

>
>  *I believe that anyone who is human deserves at least a small amount of
> respect*
>

I don't believe that at all. I believe if somebody does not act in a
respectable way it would be illogical to treat them the same way you treat
somebody who does act in a respectable way.

 John K Clark

That's not what I said.  Let me make that clear:  before you know anything
about a person, you respect them just because they are human - you give
everybody a chance to show that they are as human as you are.  Now later
actions may certainly wipe away all that respect.

In this group I find no problem with calling anyone anything.  It's when we
confront others.  Then just calling them idiots to their faces is when we
are not doing any good and are doing harm.  It's not going to change them
in any good way, and maybe it will provoke aggression.  The Saudis, for
one, are a very proud people.  I don't know about 'tiptoe', but we have
treaties with them, we buy oil from them, and I see no point in calling
their religion idiocy where they can hear it.  No point at all.  Give me a
point.  bill w

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 7:03 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 8:21 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > *I see that few people want to tackle the problem of calling most of
>> humanity, those who are religious, idiots.  Maybe we can see this as a
>> function of manners. *
>>
>
> Everything else being equal one should be polite, but everything else is
> not equal. For reasons I don't understand people got it into their head
> that it was OK to criticize everything about somebody EXCEPT for their
> religion regardless of how stupid it is. And what did all those euphemisms
> for idiocy and pampering ofbarbarians get us? Airliners crashing into
> civilian skyscrapers.
>
> But even after that criticizing religion was still considered off
> limits.  Presidential candidate Ted Cruz said he was a Christian first
> and an American second, and said whenever he had to make an important
> decision he always heard a voice in his head from an invisible man in the
> sky telling him what to do. When a reporter asked him for more details
> about this voice it was the reporter not Ted Cruz who was widely
> criticized; they said it was rude to ask the man who wanted the Nuclear
> Launch Codes what the invisible man in the sky was whispering in his ear.
> As for me I think survival is more important than politeness.
>
>>
>> > We are perhaps going to think that they are all morons, but have the
>> manners to keep our opinions to ourselves,
>>
>
> For about 2 decades the Extropian List was unusual in that one did not
> feel the need to keep ones opinion to oneself. But times have changed, this
> list certainly has, and political correctness has crept in even here.
>
>
>> *> In any case, calling someone a moron does no good at all and might do
>> some serious harm.  Like start another jihad. *
>>
>
> That statement is just as insulting to the religious as anything I said;
> speak one word out of line to these moronic barbarians and they'll go into
> a murderous rampage. But I don't think your suggestion to just tiptoe
> around them as if they're a ticking time bomb is a good long term solution
> to the problem of aggressive stupidity.
>
>
>> > *I believe that anyone who is human deserves at least a small amount
>> of respect*
>>
>
> I don't believe that at all. I believe if somebody does not act in a
> respectable way it would be illogical to treat them the same way you treat
> somebody who does act in a respectable way.
>
>  John K Clark
>
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