[ExI] Just some thoughts, nothing new really

Rafal Smigrodzki rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com
Sun May 19 23:31:25 UTC 2019

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:55 PM Stuart LaForge <avant at sollegro.com> wrote:

> Quoting Rafal Smigrodzki:
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I agree with most of that except for your use of the word "home", you
> >> obviously don't mean the few thousand square feet under your roof but
> the
> >> few million square miles in the entire USA. And even that may be too
> small
> >> because true hardcore libertarians think nations are phoney artificial
> >> divisions, so if you count the entire Earth as your "home" do you have
> the
> >> right to kick me off the planet (perhaps into a hypothetical afterlife)
> if
> >> you don't want to be associated with me?
> >>
> >
> > ###  So we agree that I have the right to exclude others in my own home.
> > Good. But then you tell me I do not have the right to exclude others at
> the
> > level of the nation-state or above. OK, then tell me at which
> intermediate
> > level of organization - street, neighborhood, city, county,
> province/state
> > - do I lose the right of exclusion, and why.
> I say that you have the right of unilateral exclusion within your own
> home and your surrounding property, and your unilateral right to
> exclusion ends precisely where your neighbor's home and yard begins.
> Any greater exclusionary authority would require some manner of
> compact, agreement, or contract between you and your neighbors. The
> scope of which could be as simple as a neighborhood watch program or
> as complex as nationwide legislation.  The reason for this is that
> otherwise, you are violating your neighbor's right to free association.
> ### Well, yes, obviously. A national immigration law is an agreement
between many people. Assuming you accept the legitimacy of the legislature,
is such immigration law, and my support for it, legitimate? Is it then
wrong for US citizens to break that law by aiding and abetting illegal
immigration?  John Clark seems to think immigration law is illegitimate,
AFAIK (hard to get clear statements out of him). What's your opinion?

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