[ExI] Transpersonal Extropianism?

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 9 14:14:03 UTC 2019

may be stuck at the skeptic/atheist phase,
If there is a set of stages people got through that includes this one, I
have not heard of it.  Please supply the other stages.  bill w

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 3:15 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:01 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> You took the words out of my mouth!  Unfortunately the ExI list, for all
>> its positives, is not really a good spiritual resonance chamber.  I've got
>> the idea that a lot of people here may be stuck at the skeptic/atheist
>> phase, instead of pushing on to ask more deeply about the nature of reality
>> and consciousness.
> Speaking for myself, at least, I'd say that saying someone is 'stuck at
> the skeptic/atheist phase', while talking about the nature of reality (the
> wording "reality AND consciousness" is revealing, in my opinion, by the
> way) is rather like saying 'stuck at the wordprocessor stage' when talking
> about writing. Perhaps there will be better ways of writing things in the
> future, but going back to quill pens and parchment isn't one of them.
> Although that's not a very good analogy. At least we have a clear idea of
> what quill pens and parchment are, that just about everyone will agree on.
> Could even as few as ten different people give a consistent and clear
> definition of 'spirituality', in terms that don't fall into wooly ambiguity
> and superstition, and agree with each other?
> What's next? Are we going to hear the claim that ExI members are 'stuck'
> using the best mental tool we have discovered so far for investigating the
> nature of reality? The only one that has been demonstrated unequivocally to
> actually work? (I'm sure I don't have to name it to you guys).
> Of course the ExI list is not a good spiritual resonance chamber. Neither
> is it a good place for swapping tips on sympathetic magic, or discussing
> the finer details of crystal healing (although it can become a bit of a
> sounding-board for american politics, sometimes!).
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
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