[ExI] Uploads

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 1 19:21:12 UTC 2020

I don't know if I can explain it.  I come back to the idea that the brain
is just going to be, no matter how advanced our sciences are, too complex
for any sim to be that close to the real thing.  It's just a prejudice of
mine.  Like most prejudices, mostly irrational. I like natural things, not
gimmicks,like video games (the golf one is just totally stupid - you can
see it on the Golf Channel - in time?  Who can tell?).  Maybe I just want a
natural world and corridors of uploaded people is just as far from that as
possible, no matter what they are experiencing.  Don't waste your time with
me on this, or an other prejudiced people.  If I were in the future where
the upload and the real person were indistinguishable, I am quite sure I
would get over the prejudice.  bill w

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:07 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 01/04/2020 16:36, billw wrote:
> > Oddly, I am still thinking about golf - being somewhere in person and
> > doing something physical, perhaps through an avatar if uploaded. If we
> > needed avatars for certain experiences then that's a downside
> Ah, obvously I misunderstood something from one of your earlier posts,
> when you said something like 'heaven, but without golf'.
> I assumed from that that like me, you didn't like golf. It seems you do.
> And it seems you think that an upload wouldn't be able to play golf, if
> they wanted to.
> Is that correct?
> If so, it seems that some fundamental concepts about uploading are being
> missed here.
> Although I don't like golf, I do like skiing, and snowboarding. One of
> the things that I'd like to do if I'm ever uploaded, is to snowboard
> down Mt. Everest. I expect that constructing the environment and
> tweaking the physics engine would be almost as enjoyable as the actual
> experience (maybe that's just me).
> I don't expect to need an avatar. The whole thing would be entirely
> virtual, and, provided I got the programming right, would also be more
> 'real' (as well as more satisfying, I'm sure) than the real thing.
> It seems you think, or suspect, that being an upload and the experience
> of 'being somewhere in person and doing something physical' are
> incompatible?
> If I'm right about this, would you mind explaining why? because I just
> don't get it, and it's probably important to understand. Maybe I'm
> missing something important about why more people aren't enthusiastic
> about uploading.
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
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