[ExI] ccp struggles

spike at rainier66.com spike at rainier66.com
Tue Apr 14 20:29:43 UTC 2020



From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:52 PM
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Cc: Dylan Distasio <interzone at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] ccp struggles




On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:39 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:



From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> > On Behalf Of John Clark via extropy-chat


>…Rednecks need automatic firearms…


Automatic firearms are damn hard to license.  Most states disallow them or make it such a pain in the ass to get them, it is a rich man’s toy.  They are extremely rare.  I have never seen one.



>…I suspect John is confusing semi-automatic weapons with automatic ones based on a very cursory investigation into what gun laws in the US actually cover.  As mentioned, an extremely small number of people are licensed to own and operate automatic weapons.  A semi-automatic weapon is no different than a revolver in terms of outcome (in fact, the revolver is more reliable!) …


I think you are right on that.  The people who have the strongest opinion on firearms are often those who know the least about them.


Consider the former presidential candidate whose campaign abruptly ended when he opined “Hell yes we are going to take your AR-15!”  When queried on the comment, he demonstrated he had no idea why that particular model.  Perhaps he is against ergonomics and low weight.  Since the AR-15 is well suited for women, smaller people, the handicapped, people with carpal tunnel syndrome and so forth, he was perhaps indicating he does not favor those kinds of people.  Game over man.


>…When I was recently legally purchasing a 9mm semi-automatic handgun, the well mannered, and extremely knowledgeable guys in the shop were laughing over the formerly gun hating liberals calling into the store in a panic now wanting to get guns worried over COVID-19 negative outcomes.  One of them got extremely irate when they found out you couldn't just walk in and purchase a gun without a permit…


You can go over to the gun shop now and find that perhaps most of the buyers had no idea how much bother it is to buy a handgun today.  They thought the laws were about preventing bad guys from an easy fast gun purchase.  It never occurs to them that the law applies to everyone, and that if they go around those laws, they are the bad guy.


>…and asked in all seriousness for them to apply (the non-existent) gunshow loophole so they could grab one same day…


Ja, and they are shocked when you point out that this isn’t a gun show, it is a gun shop.  If they went to a gun show, they would be again surprised that so much of what they know isn’t so.


>…Another woman called in asking if they had any sawed off shotguns in stock.  The guy behind the counter laughingly replied that yes, they're in the banned weapons room we use in the back…


They could go on to explain that shotguns are relatively easy to purchase, being long guns, and hacksaws are relatively easy to purchase.


>…It would behoove anyone who has never dealt with firearms in the US to actually get some experience with them, and find out that the large majority of legal firearm owners are responsible actors who take gun safety seriously…


It terrifies many today to even think of going into a shooting range.  It isn’t even so much the fear of being shot, it is the fear of finding out that which one has so long believed isn’t true.


>…You may even make a few friends…


Oh the guys who hang out down there are so nice.  Helpful, willing to teach the silly yahoos showing up there not knowing which direction the pointy end of the bullet is supposed to go.


>… and discover that it is a lot of fun to fire them at the range!


It really is a fun sport, one of the few a person can still participate in past the age of 50.  Don’t worry, a day at the firing range will not make one deplorable, will not impact the color of one’s neck.  It might make one a bit more open minded and less arrogant, but if one can tolerate that risk, it is a fun sport.







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