[ExI] psychology

[William Flynn Wallace]

Ben, of course atheism cannot offer those things, but my point is that
people want those things, or many of them do, those that are not just in
there for the socializing and business implications.

I am with Spike on sin.  Big mistakes can certainly be equal to sins.  You
are sinning not against a god, but against other people and ultimately
yourself (since you need to forgive yourself for them).

spike, examples from you are always welcome

bill w

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:50 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> >…The 'forgiveness of sins' assumes that 'sin' actually means anything
> real, and to atheists, I should think it doesn't, seeing as how the term
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> Hi Ben, on the contrary sir, the concept of sin survives religion, certainly in my mind it does.  There are things I regret having done and said in my life, and I see it perfectly appropriate to call these things my sins.
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> As a fun aside…  the more rigorous religions have a task ahead of them.  To create and maintain a market for their product, they not only need to make the believers feel guilty for their sins, there are plenty of cases where they must make the young believer feel guilty for sins they didn’t actually do.
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> I will let you ponder that if you wish, and offer an example if you want it.
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