[ExI] for Henry

[William Flynn Wallace]

I conjecture that even when the conditions are reported as calm, there is a
bit of air movement.  That would make it more difficult for airborne germs
to affect people.  bill w

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:38 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
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> >…Non-conformity is context dependent, no? So with masks, non-conformity
> would have to be judged on the basis of the social context, no? In other
> words, let’s say I live in a small rural community that is solid red and
> mainly populated by White evangelicals. Wearing a mask would be seen there,
> back in say early June, as going against the grain.
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> Dan it really doesn’t break out that way.  Everything isn’t politics.
> Everywhere is a mixture.  There is a general trend toward those categories
> you mentioned in rural communities, however those communities are also
> naturally more socially distanced, because they are less densely
> populated.  Places which are less densely populated have less access to
> masks and less need for them, regardless of their political persuasion.
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> Where I live, outdoor masks are about half, possibly not quite half are
> wearing them.  The governor demands it, but there is no legal requirement.
> Inside a shop or business, the business owner demands it (to keep her doors
> open) and she does have the authority to throw you out, so you wear it,
> regardless of your attitudes on conformity or compliance with the
> governor’s wishes.
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> Dan I have some observations for you from my travels.  In Mount Rainier
> National Park, that is federal property, so you can be arrested for
> marijuana there (illegal at the federal level) but not for refusing to wear
> a mask (congress never passed a law requiring them.)  The trailheads demand
> masks, but don’t actually claim it is a legal requirement (it isn’t.).
> They just say “Masks required.”  Around half wear them there while hiking,
> possibly slightly more than half.
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> I had a pleasant visit with a Mt. Rainier ranger, who is a federal
> employee.  He wore a mask, I did not.  We talked about a bear I spotted,
> the trail condition, the snow, for perhaps 10 minutes.  He never did say a
> word about masks, but kept his on the whole time.  We never came within
> about 3 meters of each other.
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> On the way back, we were camping at a state park in Oregon.  We were
> sitting at our campsite, park ranger came by on foot, she was wearing a
> mask, we were not.  We visited for several minutes, she never mentioned
> masks.
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> On that trip, one of my father-in-law’s neighbors expressed surprise we
> were able to come up there at all.  They assumed it was illegal to travel
> with stay at home orders. Well, OK sure those exist in California.  Had a
> Cal State trooper pulled me over on the way out and explained there was a
> stay-at-home order, I would point out the obvious: We are at home.  That
> camper is my temporary home back there.
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> What is she going to say?  We weren’t breaking any laws.
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> A camper is a completely self-contained unit.  It has a refrigerator and a
> freezer (both cram full of food) and every cavity we could find in that
> camper was stuffed with food.  The only thing we ran outta (twice) is
> water, but we stayed in commercial campgrounds and I refilled, so on we
> go.  We never had to go to any stores in nearly 3 weeks, we were
> socially-distanced the whole time, other than passing people on the hiking
> trails.  But there are exactly zero known or even plausibly suspected cases
> of transmission outdoors on hiking trails.  So… no surprise we never caught
> anything that way.
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> Very little of this has anything to do with conformity or otherwise that I
> can see.  It has a lot to do with how much one thinks covid can jump from
> one person to another outdoors.  That number is apparently low, which is
> why we didn’t see big outbreaks after the rallies and riots, where people
> were packed closely and most did not wear masks.
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> Conclusion: mask wearing outdoors is not political or an indication of
> conformity, and they generally are not necessary or even advisable.
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