[ExI] Everett worlds

[William Flynn Wallace]

To me, free will is a basic (THE basic) experimental fact. I’m more certain
of my free will than of the sun rising tomorrow). giulio

You accept something as a fact that has no and never will have any
experimental evidence?  Your certainty means zero.  Of course if this is
part of your religion, then you are letting your religion interfere
drastically with your science. Scientists don't do experimenting going in
with unproven assumptions.  Big NONO.   bill w

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:44 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 2020. Aug 16., Sun at 17:31, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Free will is a big bias.  If some theory seems to take it away, we may
>> reject it despite good data supporting it.  Ergo, let's put the concept
>> aside, because it is a negative bias, and get on with finding out just
>> how things work in the crazy world (esp. crazy in quantum).  bill w
>>
>
> To me, free will is a basic (THE basic) experimental fact. I’m more
> certain of my free will than of the sun rising tomorrow). Science should
> explain our experience to at least some degree, not deny it. I like the
> elegance of Everett’s idea, but I search ways to make it more compatible
> with free will.
>
>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:03 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> I'm not sure I understand this concept, care to elaborate?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> There is a third option which I think is related to what Giulio is
>>>> suggesting: the volition would take place at the beginning of the universe
>>>> and apply to everything within, so the universe would be 'chosen' freely
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:05 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Others dislike Everett’s fully deterministic QM because it leaves
>>>>>> no room for free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no room for free will with any interpretation of quantum
>>>>> mechanics, or in classical mechanics, or in anything, because the idea of
>>>>> free will just makes no sense. Something either happens because of cause
>>>>> and effect or it doesn't happen because of cause-and-effect (aka it's
>>>>> random) and free will fans would not be happy with either. And so I fear
>>>>> free will fans are destined to be unhappy.
>>>>>
>>>>>  John K Clark
>>>>>
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