[ExI] Everett worlds

[Giulio Prisco]

On 2020. Aug 16., Sun at 17:55, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
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> To me, free will is a basic (THE basic) experimental fact. I’m more
> certain of my free will than of the sun rising tomorrow). giulio
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> You accept something as a fact that has no and never will have any
> experimental evidence?
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??? No experimental evidence? I have a lifetime of experimental evidence!
So does everyone.

Your certainty means zero.  Of course if this is part of your religion,
> then you are letting your religion interfere drastically with your science.
> Scientists don't do experimenting going in with unproven assumptions.  Big
> NONO.   bill w
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> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:44 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
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>> On 2020. Aug 16., Sun at 17:31, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
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>>> Free will is a big bias.  If some theory seems to take it away, we may
>>> reject it despite good data supporting it.  Ergo, let's put the concept
>>> aside, because it is a negative bias, and get on with finding out just
>>> how things work in the crazy world (esp. crazy in quantum).  bill w
>>>
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>> To me, free will is a basic (THE basic) experimental fact. I’m more
>> certain of my free will than of the sun rising tomorrow). Science should
>> explain our experience to at least some degree, not deny it. I like the
>> elegance of Everett’s idea, but I search ways to make it more compatible
>> with free will.
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>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:03 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
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>>>> I'm not sure I understand this concept, care to elaborate?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
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>>>>> There is a third option which I think is related to what Giulio is
>>>>> suggesting: the volition would take place at the beginning of the universe
>>>>> and apply to everything within, so the universe would be 'chosen' freely
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
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>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:05 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>>> > Others dislike Everett’s fully deterministic QM because it leaves
>>>>>>> no room for free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no room for free will with any interpretation of quantum
>>>>>> mechanics, or in classical mechanics, or in anything, because the idea of
>>>>>> free will just makes no sense. Something either happens because of cause
>>>>>> and effect or it doesn't happen because of cause-and-effect (aka it's
>>>>>> random) and free will fans would not be happy with either. And so I fear
>>>>>> free will fans are destined to be unhappy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  John K Clark
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