[ExI] Exi JKC Political Posting Final Warning

[William Flynn Wallace]

spike, if it's not too much trouble, will you dig out that Samantha post so
I can follow what is going on?  Thanks!   bill w

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:23 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> > *On Behalf Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* [ExI] Exi JKC Political Posting Final Warning
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> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:17 PM ExiMod <ExiMod at protonmail.com> wrote:
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> *> **John, You must stop your politicising behavior on the Exi list
> now. you have shown that you are able to make a valuable contribution to
> the Exi list, but you have to avoid bringing the current divisive USA
> political arguments into the Exi list.*
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> >…OK, it's you're a list not mine and I believe in private property. But
> I'm not the one who introduced the FISA topic so just out of curiosity does
> this warning also hold for the previous list moderator?
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> John K Clark
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> This is an interesting question.  It looks to me like every country in the
> world which has the capability of doing secret surveillance on its citizens
> must have a legal system governing it.  No partisanship or politics in that
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> In the USA, secret surveillance of communication is illegal, no
> partisanship or politics there.
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> In the USA, laws were passed to go around a constitutional prohibition of
> secret surveillance under special circumstances in response to a foreign
> attack on  9/11/01 no politics.
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> One would think (nearly) every government must have some means of
> controlling the power of secret surveillance, no politics there.
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> Our FBI was caught violating its own rules, party is irrelevant, what they
> were actually doing is extremely relevant, no politics needed or desired
> with that  comment.
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> It doesn’t matter to me which party was doing what, this was the FBI,
> which doesn’t have a party, it is law enforcement.   It was caught in a
> corrupt act.
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> John, do you see the difference?  I don’t need to name parties, because
> this is irrelevant to law.  Good chance all of the players were one of the
> two major parties, but that doesn’t matter.  This isn’t right vs left, it’s
> right vs wrong.
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> Samantha warned us.  Her vision was crystal clear.  Secret surveillance is
> inherently dangerous in the hands of any government.  Sooner or later that
> power will be corrupted and abused.  It was.  Not right vs left.  Right vs.
> wrong.
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> spike
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