[ExI] Free will was: Everett worlds

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 08:08, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:50 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 06:03, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:58 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:44 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *> Also, there do appear to be some truly random aspects to the
>>>>> universe, such as the precise timing of atomic decay.  There could be a
>>>>> free will behind those,*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That makes no sense. If there's ANYTHING behind the decision then it's
>>>> not random. Random means an effect without a cause.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Truly random *from our perspective and ability to measure it*.  Doesn't
>>> mean there isn't a cause behind it, just not a cause that we can see.
>>> Which is pretty much what the source of free will, assuming there is one,
>>> would have to be.
>>>
>>
>> Determined means fixed due to prior events, such that if the prior events
>> happen the determined event necessarily happens. It is also called caused.
>>
>> Undetermined means not fixed due to prior events, so that if the prior
>> events happen the undetermined event does not necessarily happen. It is
>> also called uncaused or random.
>>
>> “Random” is used in other ways but this is the meaning in physics, and
>> the relevant meaning in regard free will.
>>
>
> Yes, and there is stuff that is determined on an absolute basis (from an
> external observer's point of view) but appears undetermined from the
> perspective of anyone within a given system (such as, in this case, us).
> Is there a word or short phrase for that?
>

There is apparently random and truly or fundamentally random. Coin tosses
are thought to be apparently random, radioactive decay is thought to be
truly random.

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Stathis Papaioannou
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