[ExI] Mental Phenomena
brent.allsop at gmail.com
Thu Feb 13 02:28:17 UTC 2020
> I do have visual qualia though I can’t prove it to you, you’ll just have
> to believe me. But for all I know, someone may have replaced my brain with
> a computer last night while I was sleeping. The fact that I still have
> visual qualia today does not preclude that possibility.
Why do you guys always ignore what i'm trying to say and don't even come
close to answer a simple question: "What is it that is red, what is it that
Why are you ignoring the fact that nobody knows that.
Another thing I keep trying to say, which you completely ignore, or show
any evidence that you understand in any wa
: Once we stop being qualia blind, we'll discover what it is that has a
redness quality, and this will give us dictionary telling us the color,
some of our abstract descriptions in the brain are describing. Once they
do this, this will falsify all but THE ONE camp that cant be falsified
amongst the many sub camps to representational qualia theory. Only then
will people finally realize the real physical colors of things. People
will look back on discussions like this, the terrible effect papers like
Chalmer's "fading dancing absent" qualia and how sending people down that
rat hole completely distracted the science away from the real problem.
Having this dictionary will tell us what color things are, but only in the
1. week form. Everyone will need to assume that something like glutamate
has the same redness quality in my brain, as it does in your brain. There
will surely be doubters, despite all the powerful objective evidence that
proves exactly what redness is, how it is different from greenness, and who
does and does not have red/green inverted qualia and so on.
Another thing I keep trying to point out, which you guys completely ignore
is there will also be the 2. stronger 3. strongest forms of effing the
ineffable once we start hacking brians, where we connect our brains with 3
millions neurons, so we can directly experience the actual physical colors
in other's brains, the same way the physical knowledge in our left
hemisphere is directly computationally bound to the physical knowledge in
our right. It will be a bit disorienting, if your partner has inverted red
green qualia - but you will know such things as absolutely as "I think
therefore I am"
Oh, and I also mentioned, but you guys probably also didn't notice, this
will falsify solipsism, proving the existence of not only other conscious
minds, but that there really is an external world, and we aren't jsut some
kind of brain in a vat.
But then, all these are just my predictions. You guys really know what it
will be like to be uploaded, and how we will know if that upload is
anything like the real you... right????
And it's up to the experimentalists. After all, if the falsify all
possible physics as something that could have a redness quality, then this
would prove that it must be some type of new physics, or maybe eve qualia
are "spiritual" ghostly qualities in some neither world as predicting in
But my prediction is that substance dualism and solipsis are far more
likely than the current popular consensus that "The supervening qualities
are the result of the ones and zeroes" And once people start discovering
what color things really are, and how different they are from
abstract arbitrary ones and zeros, which are intentionally designed to be
abstracted away from any physical qualities (i.e. require a dictionary to
know what they mean)
And THAT is why I created canonizer. So when this happens, I can point to
who was in the right camp, first, and how mistaken others were.
But, again, you guys believe completely differently, so we'll just have to
wait for the experimentalists to discover what it is that really is red.
I'll bet any amount of money, at any odds, that functionalists camps will
be the first to be experimentally falsified, once experimentalists stop
being qualia blind.
Anyone care to put any money, where their mouth is? I doubt it. You guys
aren't even brave enough to join a camp at Canonizer.com.
OK, sorry for the emotional rant. Please forgive me. I couldn't help it.
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