[ExI] Possible seat of consciousness found

Stathis Papaioannou stathisp at gmail.com
Thu Feb 20 23:21:45 UTC 2020

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 09:19, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Hi Stathis,
> So then does it help if I point out the fact that consciousness is red and
> green qualia strate dependent (as opposed to saying sub strate dependent)?

No, because I won't know what "qualia strate dependent" means and how it is
different from "sub strate dependent". You could define them but you would
have to do so every time you use them.

These are some terms that I find unambiguous:

Qualia = subjective experiences = an aspect of phenomenal consciousness
Behaviour = that which an external observer can see
Qualia are substrate dependent = only a particular substance or physical
process can give rise to the particular qualia

Are there more terms that are necessary for this discussion and need to be

Using even some apparently simple terms such as "knowledge", for example,
can become confusing. "Knowledge" can have an objective as well as a
subjective element; "knowledge of qualia" is doubly confusing, because it
could mean directly experiencing qualia or it could mean observing
behaviour which might be associated with qualia.

> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:51 PM Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:36 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> I think you could simplify your language. “Red qualia” or “red
>>> experience” is understood by most people and is unambiguous. It is also
>>> understood that it is not the strawberry that has the red qualia, it is the
>>> observer. Talking about red, redness, redness quality, redness knowledge
>>> becomes confusing to keep track of. I would have to go back and check if
>>> you mean that “redness quality” is something in the strawberry or in my
>>> mind, and if “redness knowledge” is the same or different.
>> That makes a lot of sense.  Thanks for this information.
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