[ExI] Mental Phenomena

[Brent Allsop]

It sounds like you are saying it is something in the brain.  Are you saying
that we know what it is?  Or do you agree that nobody can tell us which of
all our descriptions of physics are descriptions of a redness quality?  Or
in other words that we don’t know the qualitative color of anything.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:58 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> What has that redness quality is what area of your brain the stimulation
> of the optic nerve arrives at.
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:45 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> you should get exactly the same sensation and perception.  bill w
>>
>>
>>
>> That is what I’m trying to say.  So what is it that has that redness
>> quality you are experiencing as knowledge of the strawberry, even though
>> there is not light and no strawberry?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:49 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you surgically remove your eyes, and are put into a room with no
>>>> light, then stimulate the optic nerve, identical to the way it would be
>>>> when looking at a strawberry.   You would have identical knowledge of the
>>>> strawberry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Technically not identical.  You would know the information comes from a
>>> different source.  This may color - pun thoroughly intended - how you treat
>>> this information, making the knowledge perhaps less reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What is that knowledge, and what is it that has the redness quality you
>>>> experience?  This can’t be ‘perception’ as that requires eyes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Incorrect.  It is entirely possible to perceive via sound, touch, smell,
>>> and taste.  If you had other senses, such as a visual-replacement as you
>>> describe here, those could perceive too.  Indeed, one might say that the
>>> ability to perceive via it is required for a thing to qualify as a "sense".
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