[ExI] Mental Phenomena

[William Flynn Wallace]

What has that redness quality is what area of your brain the stimulation of
the optic nerve arrives at.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:45 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> you should get exactly the same sensation and perception.  bill w
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> That is what I’m trying to say.  So what is it that has that redness
> quality you are experiencing as knowledge of the strawberry, even though
> there is not light and no strawberry?
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> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:49 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> If you surgically remove your eyes, and are put into a room with no
>>> light, then stimulate the optic nerve, identical to the way it would be
>>> when looking at a strawberry.   You would have identical knowledge of the
>>> strawberry.
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>> Technically not identical.  You would know the information comes from a
>> different source.  This may color - pun thoroughly intended - how you treat
>> this information, making the knowledge perhaps less reliable.
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>>> What is that knowledge, and what is it that has the redness quality you
>>> experience?  This can’t be ‘perception’ as that requires eyes.
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>> Incorrect.  It is entirely possible to perceive via sound, touch, smell,
>> and taste.  If you had other senses, such as a visual-replacement as you
>> describe here, those could perceive too.  Indeed, one might say that the
>> ability to perceive via it is required for a thing to qualify as a "sense".
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