[ExI] Mental Phenomena

[Brent Allsop]

Hi John,



Yes, we’ve had this discussion before where I’ve stressed how important it
is to recognize exactly what you are saying - that memory of red is way
different than actual redness knowledge.

But what does that have to do with having an identical signal being
supplied to the optic nerve to what the retina would supply – resulting in
an identical redness experience of the strawberry, not just a memory quale
of it.



And for that matter, we should also be asking which physics is it that is
the memory of redness quale, and how does this differ, physically, from
actual physical redness.



So, does anyone disagree that physicists can’t yet tell us the qualitative
color of anything?

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:25 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:45 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>
> *> So what is it that has that redness quality you are experiencing as
>> knowledge of the strawberry, even though there is not light and no
>> strawberry?*
>>
>
> First of all the memory of a red strawberry is not the same as looking at
> at red strawberry, the mind can distinguish between the two experiences and
> it's a good thing too, otherwise when you saw red you'd have no way of
> knowing if it was because of something you were seeing now or if it came
> from something you saw a year ago. And if you want to research the redness
> quilia you can't pretend that it is the only qualia that exists, red is
> only red because of the way it contrasts with other color qualia.
>
> John K Clark
>
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