[ExI] addiction p.s.

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 11 01:31:49 UTC 2020


Do you think 'libertarianism' and 'society' are incompatible?   bill w

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:25 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I don’t disagree, but remember I am not the one pining for ever coercive
> intrusion into folks’ lives here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
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> On Jan 10, 2020, at 4:48 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> No, nothing special about disagreement about a concept, except for the
> people who need help and may not be getting it because of how a concept is
> or is not applied to them.  bill w
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 6:31 PM Dan Ust via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> My point remains though: there’s nothing special about disagreement in
>> this area save its impact on policy and public attitudes. I mean there are
>> disagreements over what a concept is, what a word is, what matter is, etc.
>>
>> I agree there’s another problem with behavioral and mental health issues
>> in that social appropriateness and ideology often impinge much more heavily
>> than, say, on things like defining what a concept or what a planet is. But
>> that goes for more concepts than just addiction — as you note.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>>
>> http://author.to/DanUst
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:58 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I am quite sure that government agencies, for one, have definitions of
>> addiction they are forced to use. In medical areas one must have a
>> diagnosis before you can assign a treatment.  That doesn't make any of them
>> the only one, the best one, and so on.  You could probably accurately say
>> this about any mental health diagnosis - they change over time.  Not only
>> that, but the words used are changed, like from 'mental retardation' (which
>> itself was a change from 'idiot, imbecile, moron') to 'developmental
>> dysfunction' or something like that.   bill
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> I’m not sure that’s so. That there’s contention over an idea doesn’t
>>> mean one can’t offer up a working definition or even stipulate one. I
>>> hardly think there’s any field where this isn’t some disagreement about
>>> concepts, including basic ones. Further, I imagine the bigger problems here
>>> arise because “addiction” has policy implications and matters in public
>>> debates. And the term has entered common everyday use, which further
>>> complicates things. (The definition of esoteric subject matter can be
>>> contentious, but most times those debates stay within small circles of
>>> interested folks.)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>
> Dan
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