[ExI] addiction p.s.

[William Flynn Wallace]

OK, I'll bite:  give me an example of a libertarian society that lives up
to your criteria, or at least describe one  bill w

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:32 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> That would seem to be your view — not mine. I believe libertarianism is
> the best way to live in society. That’s why I advocate it. (Before anyone
> here gets the wrong idea, I wrote that I “believe [it’s] the best” not that
> it’s the only way. I bet without this parenthetic comment someone would
> respond with “people have lived for thousands of years in societies — heck
> even back to the origin of humanity if one defines society broadly enough —
> and they weren’t practicing libertarianism.”)
>
> Why would think I believed they (libertarianism and society) were
> incompatible? It seems to me you presume that the only way to live in
> society is under some form of systematic oppression like a state and its
> attendant hierarchies. If that’s an accurate rendering of your view, then
> it’s you who believes they incompatible. (Elsewhere, someone called this
> the Robinson Crusoe fallacy: that one must choose between freedom and
> society. That fallacy seems quite widespread. To me, it’s similar to how
> many people believed being lorded over by aristocrats was the price to be
> paid for living in society. Don’t fall for that line.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>
> http://author.to/DanUst
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:33 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Do you think 'libertarianism' and 'society' are incompatible?   bill w
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 7:25 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> I don’t disagree, but remember I am not the one pining for ever coercive
>> intrusion into folks’ lives here.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>>
>> http://author.to/DanUst
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 4:48 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> No, nothing special about disagreement about a concept, except for the
>> people who need help and may not be getting it because of how a concept is
>> or is not applied to them.  bill w
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 6:31 PM Dan Ust via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My point remains though: there’s nothing special about disagreement in
>>> this area save its impact on policy and public attitudes. I mean there are
>>> disagreements over what a concept is, what a word is, what matter is, etc.
>>>
>>> I agree there’s another problem with behavioral and mental health issues
>>> in that social appropriateness and ideology often impinge much more heavily
>>> than, say, on things like defining what a concept or what a planet is. But
>>> that goes for more concepts than just addiction — as you note.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>>>
>>> http://author.to/DanUst
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:58 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I am quite sure that government agencies, for one, have definitions of
>>> addiction they are forced to use. In medical areas one must have a
>>> diagnosis before you can assign a treatment.  That doesn't make any of them
>>> the only one, the best one, and so on.  You could probably accurately say
>>> this about any mental health diagnosis - they change over time.  Not only
>>> that, but the words used are changed, like from 'mental retardation' (which
>>> itself was a change from 'idiot, imbecile, moron') to 'developmental
>>> dysfunction' or something like that.   bill
>>>
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