[ExI] 'Survival of the fittest' ??

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 12 15:31:18 UTC 2020


Well, doesn't Planned Parenthood have programs or something to help with
sterilization?

It was 1972 when I had the vasectomy and it was the doctor's choice to have
me sign something.

bill w

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 10:00 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Doctors like to refuse tubal litigations. I suppose they worry that a
> woman will change her mind.
>
> I personally know 3 people who struggled to get one. One can find many
> stories similar to theirs, jumping through many hoops, waiting long
> periods, having to “shop” doctors. Why?
>
> Condoms break.
>
> IUDs are uncomfortable to put in and can accidentally move into places
> they shouldn’t be.
>
> Hormonal birth control messes with your hormones (duh). The pill must be
> taken every day at the same time. The current trend of activated charcoal
> foods will mess up the pill. Antibiotics can mess up the pill. The pill can
> give you deadly blood clots. The pill may not be effective if you are above
> a certain weight.
>
> (The “morning after” pill also may not work for women over 175 lbs)
>
> It’s just bodily autonomy. If you don’t want to have kids, why not get
> your tubes tied. “Set and forget”, I suppose. Who is better to make that
> choice?
>
> When you got a vasectomy, your wife had to sign. Why? You are over 21.
> It’s inappropriate.
>
> SR Ballard
>
> On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:25 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Enlighten me. Just who is preventing women from tubal ligations?  Fifty
> years ago my wife had to sign a form for me to get a vasectomy. So I
> thought women had the same options - guess not.  bill w
>
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 8:07 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Why in our day and age would we need to resort to the aspirin method.
>> Surely straight men enjoy sex, why prevent straight women from enjoying sex
>> too. And besides, if they don’t have sex until they die, so they can avoid
>> pregnancy, I think that will make a lot of women unhappy. Sex provides
>> intimacy, and we should take that away because why? Because we don’t want
>> to let women tie their tubes.
>>
>> And yes, having tubes tied is very difficult. They expect you to have two
>> children, be married, and have your husband’s written consent in some
>> places. Even in cases where accidentally getting pregnant might kill a
>> woman.
>>
>> As people who want to upload and/or augment our physical bodies, why is
>> tubal ligation any big deal?
>>
>> SR Ballard
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 4:26 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There are those who put up convincing lies on the Web, with much
>>> enthusiasm - and a fair number with what can be accurately termed malicious
>>> intent.  How would the public know which advice to trust?
>>>
>>> And just how is that different from now, like in the area of nutrition?
>>> Would you keep genetic knowledge secret?
>>>
>>
>> Not what I was talking about.  You suggested just posting stuff without
>> need for doctors; I pointed out the need for some sort of certification the
>> public can trust (such as some accredited institution saying "this person
>> is a doctor").
>>
>>
>>> Aspirin - are there genes for humor, spoilsport?
>>>
>>
>> Poe's Law.  I couldn't tell if you were being serious; I have seen people
>> post suggestions that naive and be completely serious about them.
>>
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