[ExI] Fwd: significant figures

[Brent Allsop]

Yay, Welcome Kunvar,

It is great to learn this about you.

Multiple people on this list, including me, are very interested in theories
of consciousness, and what other think, especially regarding what might
uploading be like and all that.
Some of us have "canonized" their view on this on Canonizer.com.  For
example, I'm support the following ladder of sub camps as my current
working hypothesis:
 Agreement <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/1>
/ Approachable
Via Science <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Approachable-Via-Science/2>
/ Representational
Qualia <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Representational-Qualia/6> / Mind-Brain
Identity <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Mind-Brain-Identity/17> / Monism
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Monism/65> / Qualia are Material Qualities
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Qualia-are-Material-Qualities/7> / Molecular
Materialism <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Molecular-Materialism/36>

I'd love to know your current thoughts on consciousness, and your beliefs
about what uploading might be like.
And do you think we'll be doing things like hacking our consciousness and
uploading ourselves by the year 2100?

Thanks for joining!!

Brent Allsop


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:27 PM Kunvar Thaman via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Hey all, I'm a new member!
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Kunvar Thaman <f20170964 at pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in>
> Date: Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [ExI] significant figures
> To: Gregory Jones <spike at rainier66.com>
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>
> Hey!
>
> 1. I'm an undergrad in college at the moment. My majors are
> Electrical+Electronics engineering and Biology.
>
> 2. My major interests are in neurobiology, machine learning, and I spend a
> large (shamelessly large amount of time) solving all sorts of problems from
> a data perspective (see: Fermi Calculations).
>
> 3. I find it convenient and concise to write down my thoughts in points,
> makes me free to not use as many filler sentences, gives it structure, and
> more organized.
>
> 4. I enjoy reading lots of books. I mostly read them in parallel - I've
> got many books going on at any given time. The reason for doing this is
> that emotions are not constant throughout the day, and between days. Some
> days you just don't feel like reading some romantic book but just want to
> read more about that murder plot. Having many books open in parallel makes
> it interesting for me.
>
> 5. I watch football (soccer), tennis, squash (I play it for my univ also),
> and follow chess.
>
> &Kunvar
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 12:11 AM <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:
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>> Kunvar, welcome!
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>> Do tell us something about Kunvar please.  Where are ya from?  Where are
>> ya headed?
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>> spike
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>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *Kunvar Thaman via extropy-chat
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:53 AM
>> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> *Cc:* Kunvar Thaman <f20170964 at pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] significant figures
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>> 1. Math guys don't rule the world because they're good at math, not
>> people pleasing or policy issues or administration.
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>> 2. Math guys to an extent are in charge (ex: finance - algo trading,
>> etc). Tech influence is on almost everything, which itself is based on math.
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>> 3. No single person has an influence on search or how the ads are shown.
>> No CEO or even the top engineer at Google understands even a small part of
>> even the search algorithm they use (they do far more than that) simply
>> because it's already too complex to be understood by any single person.
>> Algorithms rule the world in that sense, not people.
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>> 4. If you think about it, even the current world hasn't been run by
>> humans for a long time now. The major players in today's world are super
>> powerful imaginary entities, bigger and stronger and more powerful than any
>> human - countries like china and US.
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>> 5. >In our world today, we realize it is a huge arms race for AI.  The
>> first guy to create and control AI owns the world.
>>
>> Check out the book LIFE 3.0 - it's on this topic and is brilliantly
>> written.
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>> &Kunvar
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>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 10:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *From:* spike at rainier66.com <spike at rainier66.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [ExI] significant figures
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>> > *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] significant figures
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>> >…So why aren't the math people in charge, Spike?   bill w
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>> >…They are in charge BillW.  People who hold offices and titles fool
>> themselves.  Our world today is ruled by science, technology, engineering
>> and math.  We even have a name for it: STEM.  The students get it.  They
>> know who really runs our world.  spike
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>> To expand a bit on that thought: the decisions made by the guys who run
>> the big search engine companies, the big social media hangouts and so on
>> have so much influence on US elections one could argue they are in charge,
>> but they only select political leaders.  In our world today, we realize it
>> is a huge arms race for AI.  The first guy to create and control AI owns
>> the world.
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>> spike
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