[ExI] Mental Phenomena

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at gmail.com
Fri Jan 24 17:15:52 UTC 2020

Take a case where a person suffered from achromatopsia from birth.  He
would be undergoing a procedure, whose goal was to cure him.  The first
thing this person experiences, early in the procedure, is a patch of
color.  The first time he experienced it he won’t know its name.  He will
have no memories of such, and every other piece of information that you and
I could have bound to make compost versions of that color, didn’t exist for
this person at first.  Just the elemental color, nothing else.  So, since
the first time he experienced this color it was in isolation, would you say
this first experience of that color, in isolation, didn’t exist, or are you
saying it would exist, it just wouldn’t have any meaning, making that
color, in isolation, nothing but a nonsense experience?

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:03 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > *You *[Brent Allsop] *ask that we substitute whatever we think is
>> responsible for 'elemental redness' for glutamate, but the whole point of
>> my arguments is that there is no such thing as 'elemental' qualia at all.
>> It's a nonsense concept.*
> I could not agree more! You can't talk about the red qualia in isolation
> to everything else because meaning needs contrast. If from the day you were
> born your visual field consisted of nothing but a uniform wall of red you'd
> be as blind as a bat and know nothing about the red qualia. And if
> everything that existed and everything that didn't exist had the Klogknee
> property then the word " Klogknee" would be a nonsense word that has no
> meaning.
> John K Clark
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