[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

Fri Jun 5 22:08:12 UTC 2020

It was bad enough.

I have wondered, if Bernie had won (I have no illusions that Hillary would
have done this) and been in the President's seat today, if he might have
issued a statement like the following:

"I advise most police to march with, not against, the protestors.  There
are three main reasons:

"1) So you can escort the protestors, and keep them separate from those who
would do them harm.  If you've got good community relations, perhaps you
can even guide the protests; for most departments, at least you'll know
where they're going so you can get out in front and direct traffic away.
If you can keep a block's distance between the protestors and traffic,
that's a block's warning should any car break through and try to ram the
protest.

"2) Most of you should be mad about the killing, just like the protestors
are.  This was murder.  it is being charged as murder.  Police are not
supposed to murder.  Those responsible for this act may have worn the
uniform and badge, but they were not police officers in any but the
official sense.  There are many Americans who could use reassurance that
you are there to serve and protect them, not just to execute them.  You
have every moral right to be protesting the murder alongside your fellow
citizens.

"3) Being among the protestors will help you more quickly spot and
intercept those few individuals who wish to spark violence, and to remove
them before their actions agitate others into violence.  The choice between
arresting one individual who starts breaking windows, and standing back
until multiple buildings are set on fire, should be an easy one.  (Any
police officer who thinks the latter is the right thing to do, see point
2.)"

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:51 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> That still sounds pretty bad.
>
> SR Ballard
>
> On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Huh.  You've certainly got me beat.  I just have this one time when the
> cops raided my house pretending to have a warrant (they had a manila
> envelope w/blank paper), dragged my brother out to the front lawn and
> cuffed him on the ground, then kicked open my (16, I think) bedroom door
> w/gun drawn on me, all because they were pursuing an ex-Apple employee who
> used to live at my address who had committed petty theft on his way out of
> his job.  (At my place, they found one cable - equivalent of a USB cable
> today - he had left behind.)
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> When people say “no police” they mean that the police force and prison
>> system as they currently exist should be completely and totally dismantled
>> and a new thing created in their place.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Police Shooting/Killing/Maiming the Disabled/Mentally ill and/or their
>> caregivers:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_James_Boyd
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jeremy_McDole
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3377699/amp/Teen-left-bloodied-bruised-cop-sicced-K-9-dog-mother-called-911-fears-son-suicidal.html
>>
>> Police shooting people for being near/in cars:
>> https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/31/us/florida-police-shooting/index.html
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile
>>
>> Police suffocating/choking people to death:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jonny_Gammage
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd
>>
>> Airsoft Deaths:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
>>
>> No-knock Warrants:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor#Persons_involved>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Duncan_Lemp (hey, he was in
>> a militia!)
>>
>> Suspicious deaths in police custody:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland
>>
>> Shot/killed while protesting, or being near protests:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Sean_Monterrosa
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_McAtee
>>
>> Mistaken Identify:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Alton_Sterling
>>
>> Officers joke about murdering people:
>>
>> https://www.newsweek.com/sean-reed-justice-indianapolis-police-shooting-facebook-1502502
>>
>> Cops shooting dogs:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/870601/police-killing-dogs-is-an-epidemic-according-to-the-justice-department/amp/
>>
>> Police officers committing domestic violence:
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/380329/
>>
>> The fact that “SWATTING” exists:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150216193032/http://newsok.com/court-document-reveals-more-about-sentinel-ok-bomb-threat/article/5386857
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20180709154458/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kansas-swatting/california-man-two-others-indicted-in-fatal-kansas-swatting-case-idUSKCN1IP065
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/fortnite-world-champion-swatted-while-streaming-on-twitch/
>>
>> Cops are “scared” at work but there are plenty of other more deadly
>> occupations:
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1002500001
>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/work-related-homicides-the-facts.pdf
>>
>> Bullshit police calls:
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2020/05/27/stop-calling-the-police-on-black-people/amp/
>>
>> Cavity Searches:
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/1873153001
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/tampon-san-antonio.amp.html
>>
>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/michigan-lawsuit-officer-daniel-mack-illegal-body-cavity-search.amp
>>
>> Civil Forfeiture:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
>>
>> Planting evidence:
>> https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence
>>
>> Sexual misconduct:
>>
>> https://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights/women-and-criminal-justice/nypd-police-officers-union-wants-keep-sexual
>>
>> And all of that compounded by police “unions” and the “blue code of
>> silence”.
>>
>> Anecdotally I have:
>> - had police show up to my home when I (3) “play dialed” 911 on a phone I
>> thought wasn’t plugged in and my entire family had to go into the lawn, in
>> front of our neighbors, in our underwear
>> - had a police officer pull a hard u-turn in front of me, blocking the
>> road, and accusing me (12) of being a runaway
>> - had a police officer pull a hard u-turn across 4 lanes of traffic to
>> accuse me (14) of being a prostitute when my bus was late
>> - had a police officer threaten to commit me (17) for a letter I wrote to
>> a friend; when he said I could leave I fled, crying, and was later detained
>> by him and threatened with arrest for slamming a door
>> - had a police officer blame me (18) for my own rape, and belittled for
>> my father threatening to kill me; despite that, they felt the need to
>> handcuff my parents and threaten to shoot them
>> - was handcuffed when I (19) told my councilor I was suicidal
>> - had the cops called on me (23) for knocking on doors to find my lost dog
>> - had cops jump my fence, enter my home without knocking through my back
>> door, and draw their guns on me because I (24) was taking a nap with the AC
>> off and the back door open
>> - had cops pull me (25) over on suspicion of drug use when I was learning
>> how to drive
>>
>> And you know when I did NOT call the police? Oh wait, I have never called
>> the police. (Unless you count that “call” when I was like 4.)
>>
>> I have been raped (filed a report), threatened to be killed (filed a
>> report) and had a gun brandished and pointed at me (Trump had just been
>> elected and I was “too white”, I did not file a report, I just moved).
>>
>> In maybe 99% of cases, calling police makes any situation worse. So maybe
>> just... don’t. There’s no need to arrest or accost people for minor
>> violations, or shoot people for having loud parties. Just fine them and be
>> done with it.
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