[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

Fri Jun 5 22:19:18 UTC 2020

I think those are absolutely terrific ideas, and it would take an extremely
creative and independent police chief to try those.  I won't hold my
breath.   bill w

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:10 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> It was bad enough.
>
> I have wondered, if Bernie had won (I have no illusions that Hillary would
> have done this) and been in the President's seat today, if he might have
> issued a statement like the following:
>
> "I advise most police to march with, not against, the protestors.  There
> are three main reasons:
>
> "1) So you can escort the protestors, and keep them separate from those
> who would do them harm.  If you've got good community relations, perhaps
> you can even guide the protests; for most departments, at least you'll know
> where they're going so you can get out in front and direct traffic away.
> If you can keep a block's distance between the protestors and traffic,
> that's a block's warning should any car break through and try to ram the
> protest.
>
> "2) Most of you should be mad about the killing, just like the protestors
> are.  This was murder.  it is being charged as murder.  Police are not
> supposed to murder.  Those responsible for this act may have worn the
> uniform and badge, but they were not police officers in any but the
> official sense.  There are many Americans who could use reassurance that
> you are there to serve and protect them, not just to execute them.  You
> have every moral right to be protesting the murder alongside your fellow
> citizens.
>
> "3) Being among the protestors will help you more quickly spot and
> intercept those few individuals who wish to spark violence, and to remove
> them before their actions agitate others into violence.  The choice between
> arresting one individual who starts breaking windows, and standing back
> until multiple buildings are set on fire, should be an easy one.  (Any
> police officer who thinks the latter is the right thing to do, see point
> 2.)"
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:51 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> That still sounds pretty bad.
>>
>> SR Ballard
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> Huh.  You've certainly got me beat.  I just have this one time when the
>> cops raided my house pretending to have a warrant (they had a manila
>> envelope w/blank paper), dragged my brother out to the front lawn and
>> cuffed him on the ground, then kicked open my (16, I think) bedroom door
>> w/gun drawn on me, all because they were pursuing an ex-Apple employee who
>> used to live at my address who had committed petty theft on his way out of
>> his job.  (At my place, they found one cable - equivalent of a USB cable
>> today - he had left behind.)
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> When people say “no police” they mean that the police force and prison
>>> system as they currently exist should be completely and totally dismantled
>>> and a new thing created in their place.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Police Shooting/Killing/Maiming the Disabled/Mentally ill and/or their
>>> caregivers:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Charles_Kinsey
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_James_Boyd
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jeremy_McDole
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3377699/amp/Teen-left-bloodied-bruised-cop-sicced-K-9-dog-mother-called-911-fears-son-suicidal.html
>>>
>>> Police shooting people for being near/in cars:
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/31/us/florida-police-shooting/index.html
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile
>>>
>>> Police suffocating/choking people to death:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jonny_Gammage
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd
>>>
>>> Airsoft Deaths:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
>>>
>>> No-knock Warrants:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor
>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor#Persons_involved>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Duncan_Lemp (hey, he was in
>>> a militia!)
>>>
>>> Suspicious deaths in police custody:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sandra_Bland
>>>
>>> Shot/killed while protesting, or being near protests:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Sean_Monterrosa
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_McAtee
>>>
>>> Mistaken Identify:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Alton_Sterling
>>>
>>> Officers joke about murdering people:
>>>
>>> https://www.newsweek.com/sean-reed-justice-indianapolis-police-shooting-facebook-1502502
>>>
>>> Cops shooting dogs:
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/870601/police-killing-dogs-is-an-epidemic-according-to-the-justice-department/amp/
>>>
>>> Police officers committing domestic violence:
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/380329/
>>>
>>> The fact that “SWATTING” exists:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150216193032/http://newsok.com/court-document-reveals-more-about-sentinel-ok-bomb-threat/article/5386857
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20180709154458/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kansas-swatting/california-man-two-others-indicted-in-fatal-kansas-swatting-case-idUSKCN1IP065
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/fortnite-world-champion-swatted-while-streaming-on-twitch/
>>>
>>> Cops are “scared” at work but there are plenty of other more deadly
>>> occupations:
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1002500001
>>> https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/work-related-homicides-the-facts.pdf
>>>
>>> Bullshit police calls:
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2020/05/27/stop-calling-the-police-on-black-people/amp/
>>>
>>> Cavity Searches:
>>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/1873153001
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/us/tampon-san-antonio.amp.html
>>>
>>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/michigan-lawsuit-officer-daniel-mack-illegal-body-cavity-search.amp
>>>
>>> Civil Forfeiture:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>> Planting evidence:
>>> https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence
>>>
>>> Sexual misconduct:
>>>
>>> https://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights/women-and-criminal-justice/nypd-police-officers-union-wants-keep-sexual
>>>
>>> And all of that compounded by police “unions” and the “blue code of
>>> silence”.
>>>
>>> Anecdotally I have:
>>> - had police show up to my home when I (3) “play dialed” 911 on a phone
>>> I thought wasn’t plugged in and my entire family had to go into the lawn,
>>> in front of our neighbors, in our underwear
>>> - had a police officer pull a hard u-turn in front of me, blocking the
>>> road, and accusing me (12) of being a runaway
>>> - had a police officer pull a hard u-turn across 4 lanes of traffic to
>>> accuse me (14) of being a prostitute when my bus was late
>>> - had a police officer threaten to commit me (17) for a letter I wrote
>>> to a friend; when he said I could leave I fled, crying, and was later
>>> detained by him and threatened with arrest for slamming a door
>>> - had a police officer blame me (18) for my own rape, and belittled for
>>> my father threatening to kill me; despite that, they felt the need to
>>> handcuff my parents and threaten to shoot them
>>> - was handcuffed when I (19) told my councilor I was suicidal
>>> - had the cops called on me (23) for knocking on doors to find my lost
>>> dog
>>> - had cops jump my fence, enter my home without knocking through my back
>>> door, and draw their guns on me because I (24) was taking a nap with the AC
>>> off and the back door open
>>> - had cops pull me (25) over on suspicion of drug use when I was
>>> learning how to drive
>>>
>>> And you know when I did NOT call the police? Oh wait, I have never
>>> called the police. (Unless you count that “call” when I was like 4.)
>>>
>>> I have been raped (filed a report), threatened to be killed (filed a
>>> report) and had a gun brandished and pointed at me (Trump had just been
>>> elected and I was “too white”, I did not file a report, I just moved).
>>>
>>> In maybe 99% of cases, calling police makes any situation worse. So
>>> maybe just... don’t. There’s no need to arrest or accost people for minor
>>> violations, or shoot people for having loud parties. Just fine them and be
>>> done with it.
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