[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

[William Flynn Wallace]

dan wrote - I don't agree with the view that somehow having no police
around all the thugs will go on a crime spree

Fine.  But even if crime is less there have to be people to deal with it.
What do you suggest?

bill w

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:53 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:44 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:27 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>
> Again, I bring up abolishing the police. It should always be on the table,
> IMO.
>
>
>
> There ya go, Dan.  That notion should put to bed any remaining suggestion
> that Americans do not need to own a gun.  Even the possibility that an
> entire police force could just get pissed and walk off the job (as they did
> in St. Louis this week) should be a clear unambiguous reminder that a
> well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state.
>
>
>
> If we abolish the police, we also abolish all gun control laws, all of
> them.  Without a professional police force, we all need to have and to
> carry guns.
>
>
>
> We have the opportunity to educate our society on the meaning of the
> phrase “…shall not be infringed.”
>
>
>
> spike
>
>
> It seems you believe I'm against people defending themselves and others.
> Is this so? In fact, I've argued for arming the masses -- not just the
> US-American masses, but worldwide. This is the correct Left position on
> this issue. (In fact, traditionally, the Right wants the masses disarmed to
> prevent them getting uppity. The strange thing is that many modern Leftists
> seem to want the opposite: disarmed masses and armed elites. To me, this is
> typically how those in the Left eventually turn to the Right on issues once
> they have power.)
>
> In fact, I'd argue that immigrants and other marginal people need to be
> armed and defended more so than your average person. For instance,
> immigrants in the US tend to commit less crime but suffer more crime than
> non-immigrants. This is so even though, as studies have shown, immigrants
> tend to under-report crimes committed against them. Ditto for trans people
> and for 'mentally ill' people.*
>
> That said, overall violence is down. I don't agree with the view that
> somehow having no police around all the thugs will go on a crime spree.
> That's like a Hollywood movie scenario. Real life, however, almost never
> looks like that. A case in point is almost any natural disaster. We
> generally don't see Mad Max: Fury Road playing out, but people usually
> helping each other. (Yet just about any movie about a natural disaster
> shows people turning vicious and against each other. Again, look at the
> real world events and data -- rather than movie or TV narrative.)
>
> As for your citing the COTUS, you should note well that the right has been
> infringed, and that should call into question your seeing the COTUS as some
> sort of shield against injustice. Either the COTUS authorized those
> infringements or did nothing to stop them. Or as Lysander Spooner
> (1808-1887) put it:
>
> 'But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much
> is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have
> had, or has been powerless to prevent it.  In either case it is unfit to
> exist.'
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
> * I'm not the only one calling for this. See Jane Louise's piece from five
> years ago:
>
> https://c4ss.org/content/3966
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